British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

why do you think the Muslim community should be doing something extra about this? Because muslims make up little more than 5% of our overall populations but representatives of that faith are responsible for how many murderous terrorist attacks in the past few years alone? I shudder to think of the numbers...

This, I believe gives them a duty to do more. I don't recall any mass demonstrations by muslims post London Bridge, or the Manchester mass murder events. Certainly not in the same numbers and with the same level of intensity of those that hit the streets demanding Salman Rushdie be killed for writing a book.

@evaperonspoodle I'm an atheist. So my tolerance of religion as a whole is minimum. That goes for everyone. Not just Islam

arsefeatures, as far as I can see I think MN has deleted them now, after I reported them. They were making comments like Islam (not Islamists) is barbaric and backward etc.

@CatFem I watched two separate morning shows regarding this topic. Both had a speaker from the Muslim community speaking about how she was a victim.

It doesn't take a genius to work out why people go on defence mode when they see things like this.

The Muslim community is and has worked really really hard to combat any hint of extremist ideology.

By marching in the streets demanding the murder of British authors? Has there ever been any regret expressed over that?

She's only 19, she has seen horrors beyond imagining and has already had two babies die. Even if you think she's a knob her unborn baby is a British Citizen and shouldn't be born into a Syrian refugee camp.

Really don't get the lack of compassion here.

If she was an adult when she left then no she shouldn't be allowed back, but she wasn't she was a child.

She isn’t a child now though and her mindset is still the same. Would you want her next door to you?

Shes not phased by what she's seen. Also she literally signed up to it.

She says she's lost two babies. So far there has been no proof of this.

This, I believe gives them a duty to do more. I don't recall any mass demonstrations by muslims post London Bridge, or the Manchester mass murder events

Yes they were. And you can't compare to Salman Rushdie because that was a different era. Most young Muslims don't feel the need to apologise for something that has absoloutely nothing to do with them.

For all those asking for lists of what did Muslims do and are doing, here is some of that evidence:

muslimscondemn.com

The 712-page Google doc that proves Muslims do condemn terrorism

www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2017/mar/26/muslims-condemn-terrorism-stats?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

'Really don't get the lack of compassion here.'

Really

Oh I do

My compassion lies with the families of J Foley etc and other victims of these evil fuckers.

@Contraceptionismyfriend
Stupid teenagers go to the park and drink more then they should, stupid teenagers start smoking, stupid teenagers date a person that's wrong for them and stay out later than they should.

Thats very narrow minded thinking. People lead different lives. Not everyone's experiences are the same.

This girl essentially joined a cult and is now being told she's not allowed to leave it. Cults groom the vulnerable and easily manipulated - teenagers largely fall into that category.

A different era? Wasn't it around the 80s?

@Debaser12 she joined IS. Someone who never ever fluffed up their beliefs, their goals or the means at which they would achieve those goals. She's not a victim.

She had the privilege of being born in the safety of the UK. The fact the precious little flower decided to join a violent terrorist group is on her shoulders alone.

Again she wants to come back. To bad so sad.

ReflectentMonatomism, why are you going on about something that happened 20 years ago? I was in my nappies then, I have no idea why some members of the Muslim community reacted at that time how they did. Let's talk about now.

Btw I am not saying this lady should be allowed back in. This is a decision that the security services need to make based on evidence they have, our law, and goes without saying what is best for the British people.

Would you want her next door to you?

Why wouldn't I. She wasn't killing people was she. She would have been sat in a flat doing very little other than cook clean and have babies.

@Debaser12 You have no way to prove that. The British women who go over have been shown to violently assault those who they do not believe conform to Islam.
We have no idea what she has done, or what she plans to do now.

Not only would I not want her living next door to me but I would do what I could legally to have her removed.

OK, so I think it's been established that for all people don't want her to "be allowed" to return to the UK, she is nonetheless still a British citizen and cannot legally be prevented from doing so.

But re: all the suggestions that she is prosecuted and her baby removed from her care, on what grounds? What actual crime could it be proved that she's committed? There will be lawyers queuing up to defend her. And she'll probably get legal aid too, just to rub the British public's faces in it further.

@Contraceptionismyfriend

Im not saying she's a victim, I'm saying she did a stupid thing as a child and so should be allowed to come home. Yes she should be punished but not by forsing her to stay in a war zone.

We don't send British citizens to live there as a punishment for extremist veiws.

I don't see the relevance of her having been 15 when she left. She's been legally an adult (by UK laws) for a couple of years or so now, and has some pretty ingrained attitudes and beliefs. She is dangerous and that's what we're up against now, not the "delicate naive little girl" that people are insisting she was 4 years ago.

No. Because they at least had the brains to stay here.

I don't think we can legally keep her there. And I do believe we should move within the realms of the current law.
But I do think she should have to live with her consequences so I would like to see her left there.

Well it depend on the crimes. Countries can and do extradite criminals.
I can't believe that she has not committed a crime in their country. No matter how small.

All we'd need to do is leave her to their justice system.

Debaser, You dismiss joining fucking ISIS as "doing a stupid thing?"

Yes I think that's what so many are struggling with. I feel sorry for the 15 year old she was, able to be drawn into such evil and in fact searching it out. But she's not that child any more and I feel nothing for her now

I have no idea why some members of the Muslim community reacted at that time how they did.

Fine. But you have to realise that for a lot of the British population aged over about 35, that is Islam. Now you're welcome to say "not my problem", but you have to realise that for a lot of people it precisely is your problem, because their image of Islam was formed by those protests. It takes two parties to put something in the past.

The British women who go over have been shown to violently assault those who they do not believe conform to Islam.

Don't believe everything you see in the news. Women have very little freedom under isis.

And do you honestly believe if she lived next door to you she would come and assault you for not covering your head. She can live next door to me I couldn't care less.

I find that hard to believe. I'd be nervous knowing she was within twenty miles of me