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British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

999 replies

themoomoo · 14/02/2019 07:26

Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

OP posts:
Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 09:50

@Debaser12 the age of criminal responsibility it 10.
We hold 10 year olds responsible for their actions.

She wasn't a naive teenager. She knew what she was doing. She knew what she wanted. She is not a victim.

CatFem · 15/02/2019 09:52

@LadyKalila

I do know the difference between Islam and Islamist.

There were racist comments about Islam. I have reported them and some have been deleted now. But the damage is done.

That definition of Islamist is problematic because most muslim are strong believers. Call them terrorists/opressors because that's what they are. Stop associating them with Islam when they have violated Islam and abused it.

PissedOffProf · 15/02/2019 09:55

M3lon, I am with you. This thread is a mob with pitchforks. There is just no nice way of saying it. "ISIS baby" says everything. And everyone on this thread who did not object to this is complicit. There is one small step from "ISIS baby" to cheering the Jews onto the cattle trains.

StealthPolarBear · 15/02/2019 09:55

Debaser, are you seriously suggesting confiscating her ipad? My ds gets that punishment for coming back from the park half an hour late

ReflectentMonatomism · 15/02/2019 09:56

After reading this thread, Facebook and the news do you really think the British public will have any strong feelings about this child being placed with a safe loving family over these people?

Of course I don't. If the UK government shot her on live TV there would be cheering in the streets.

However, the Muslim community might not agree, and that's the recruiting ground for Muslim terrorism. It doesn't matter what you and I think of what happens to the baby, but it does matter what the prospective recruits to future terrorist organisations think.

StealthPolarBear · 15/02/2019 09:56

And everyone on this thread who did not object to this is complicit.

Oh bullshit. I've made it clear I feel sorry for her baby. Just because I didn't specifically respond to this stupid comment doesn't make me complicit.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 09:57

And what exactly are the Muslim community doing about this huge safety issue?
Maybe they should be at the forefront showing their support for stopping this danger against UK citizens and their religion form causing anymore harm.

arsefeatures · 15/02/2019 10:01

M3lon You stated that you responded directly to someone expressing openly islamaphobic views What form did these "islamophobic views" take?

I had a look but I didn't see any..... It's quite possible that I could have missed them?

ReflectentMonatomism · 15/02/2019 10:01

And what exactly are the Muslim community doing about this huge safety issue?

Most of them? Going about their daily basis, working, raising their children.

Did you think that British Catholics had an obligation to "do something" about the IRA? There were small elements in British Catholicism, and also US Catholicism, which supported the IRA in ideological and practical ways. We didn't usually assume your local RC Primary was shaking a bucket for the boys back home.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/02/2019 10:02

So any person committing a crime under the age of what, 16-17 should be let off because they were ‘led astray’?

All she seems to want is to live here with her child with the society that she vowed to destroy footing the bill. She ran off to a place where they said they would feed, clothe and put a roof over your head. Lazy, entitled and greedy - also childlike and still a foolish person. But now has been battle hardened and feels no guilt or remorse.

Does she weep for her dead children? Most likely but she will have the mindset that ‘they are with god now’. Does she feel guilt that she brought them into that world and couldn’t protect them? I don’t suspect she feels any such thing - it will have been her enemies who did this and all God’s will.

People like her are dangerous because they believe completely that they and only they are right and everyone else is less than human and deserves to go to hell (and quickly). She felt no compassion for others.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 10:04

It was shown that Schools of Islam were being infiltrated with extremism.
So while Islam as a whole sits back and does not take a stand to challenge the extremism in their community then it's not the victims jobs to sit there and work out who's a threat and who's not.

PissedOffProf · 15/02/2019 10:05

StealthPolarBear, there are 30 pages on this thread. I cannot analyse and remember what everyone said. My comment was aimed at the general consensus here.

But now that you mention your position, we should perhaps remember that "feeling sorry" is not going to do help this baby in any way. Only repatriation to the UK will. We should advocate practical measures as opposed to just feel sorry. Directly challenging and calling out racism is also more effective than just feeling sorry.

evaperonspoodle · 15/02/2019 10:05

Contraception the police would be much better placed to deal with this 'huge safety issue' rather than the Muslim community. Why should they have to deal with it? Do you go out and show your support every time someone that shares your religion is convicted of a crime?

CatFem · 15/02/2019 10:05

And what exactly are the Muslim community doing about this huge safety issue?

There are doing much more than you and I are doing, that's for sure. But the real question, why do you think the Muslim community should be doing something extra about this? Why is their problem that some utter idiots who adhere to their faith are behaving as criminals?

arsefeatures · 15/02/2019 10:06

CatFem These 'incorrect comments' that you'd like to be censored, are saying what exactly ?

StealthPolarBear · 15/02/2019 10:08

"feeling sorry" is not going to do help this baby in any way. Only repatriation to the UK will. We should advocate practical measures as opposed to just feel sorry"
You're missing my point. I am happy for her baby to come back but tbh I doubt I have much influence even if I do advocate. I'm making the point that I also feel sorry for the other thousands of babies caught up tin this. In the same way, there is very lite I can do

evaperonspoodle · 15/02/2019 10:08

Contraception what exactly are Schools of Islam? And to what extent are you positioned to make statements about whole communities (who are multi-ethnic) and what they are/aren't doing?

Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 10:08

Because if someone was raping, killing and bombing the innocents in the place I call home.
In the place where I want to raise my children and worship in the same religion that I wanted to practice then I'd damn well stand up and condemn them.
I'd do as much as humanly possible to distance and ensure that they were stopped.

And I wouldn't do something as stupid as them challenging the people over removing a terrorists child.

Debaser12 · 15/02/2019 10:09

She wasn't a naive teenager. She knew what she was doing. She knew what she wanted. She is not a victim.

How could you possibly know that.

As I said previously teenagers are stupid. They think they know what they want and what is best for them - but often they are wrong. That is why we are not considered adults and fully responsible for our lives until we are 18.

She's a British citizen, yes she should face consequences for her actions but she should be allowed to come home. If she was an adult when she left then no she shouldn't be allowed back, but she wasn't she was a child.

viques · 15/02/2019 10:10

Reflect

Thankyou, you got in first!

If nothing else this thread shows that no "community" , whether linked by ethnicity, race or religion finds it easy to come to a consensus. And long may that continue.

LadyKalila · 15/02/2019 10:11

@CatFem

Stop associating them with Islam when they have violated Islam and abused it.

I haven't.

WanderingTrolley1 · 15/02/2019 10:11

She should stay there. There’s no good to come out of her returning.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 15/02/2019 10:11

Stupid teenagers go to the park and drink more then they should, stupid teenagers start smoking, stupid teenagers date a person that's wrong for them and stay out later than they should.

A stupid teenager is not someone who watches the news, who knows damn well what an organisation Like IS is

Someone who's willingly posts videos of their brutality.

She knew exactly what she was signing up to.
She doesn't want to do that anymore? To bad. So sad.

CatFem · 15/02/2019 10:14

So while Islam as a whole sits back and does not take a stand to challenge the extremism in their community then it's not the victims jobs to sit there and work out who's a threat and who's not

It is really offensive to suggest the Muslim community has sat back. The Muslim community is and has worked really really hard to combat any hint of extremist ideology. From organising talks, conferences, activities, engagement activities, demonstrations etc etc. The community has spent their own millions on millions on this (not public money), even though the numbers affected were tiny in comparison.

The sad reality is that because all their energies were drained on that (even though the numbers were so so small), the community has fallen back on treating much more prevalent issues like drug abuse etc.

53rdWay · 15/02/2019 10:14

Contraceptionismyfriend you know ISIS kill Muslims as well, yes? In huge numbers? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Shias_by_ISIL