British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

If you view this as a British baby born innocent into a refugee camp, I don't know why we aren't concerned to repatriate the baby.

Are you willing to repatriate the innocent baby but not the rather less innocent mother?

@M3lon I absolutely believe that if she returns the child should be removed at birth. She is not fit to be a mother. That removal would be for the benefit of the infant.

you attacked me when I called out those advocating violence against her.

If you try to silence the voice against doing violence it then what does that say about you?

Funny how people understand that a child groomed by a paedophile is a victim, but a child groomed by terrorists is evil.

The girls in Bethnal Green sought out their groomers. They were sat in Bethnel Green and sought out images and videos of rape, murder and destruction and thought "yes, we'll have some of that". They then entered into complex plans in order to travel thousands of miles.

The girls groomed by paedophiles were approached by men in the chip shop around the corner, and once lured in were threatened (and their families threatened) by people whose cars were parked outside their houses.

It's a completely different situation.

She is not fit to be a mother.

On what legal basis? Are you saying that children should be forcibly removed from otherwise competent mothers on the grounds of their mothers' ideological position? A popular view in Argentina during the junta, or in Spain under Franco.

Who even knows for sure if she did 'lose any children'

And we certainly shouldn't just take this woman's word for it that they 'died of malnutrition'

I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable believing that a woman who is unphased finding severed heads in bins is capable of other basic humanities.

Of course she's not bloody fit. She's a terrorist.

I don't have an opinion on this, but there are some very racist and factually incorrect comments on this thread about Islam. It is shocking that they have not been picked on by other MNers, and I am very disappointed by MN for not removing such comments. I know bashing Islam seems to have passed the dinner test, but I am seriously disappointed that MN is openly allowing such a thing to happen. It is dangerous and worrying, world war 2 didn't appear from thin air.

I'm worried that burning a flag is now also considered to make you 'unfit to parent' according to this thread.

After reading all the hang her, let them rot, kids deserved to die shit on here I feel inclined to burn a union flag or two myself.

I ashamed of British society if this is what it has to offer.

I think it's good to challenge the extreme members of Islam and and to also challenge the sexist and violent aspects of any religion.

Who even knows for sure if she did 'lose any children'

It's unlikely that someone who is pregnant now and has not had access to contraception would not have been pregnant at some other point during three or four years of "marriage".

What happened to those pregnancies is a separate question, and the claims of "malnutrition" hardly stack up: not only does she not look malnourished, she doesn't look like someone who has been malnourished in the recent past. However one can imagine that IS might have ideological problems over breast feeding (I don't know), but will certainly have had problems over access to clean water and simple medical supplies like rehydration salts. It's hardly an environment in which small children will thrive.

cat not only that but when you get a vile personal attack for calling out a specific racist comment it gets to stand....

Hell, there was even a fully islamist SS unit back in the '40s.

I don't have an opinion on this, but there are some very racist and factually incorrect comments on this thread about Islam
where?

Of course she's not bloody fit. She's a terrorist.

Is she? What acts of terror has she committed, planned or prepared for, which you could prove even to civil standards?

And even if she were, children were not removed at birth from concentration camp guards, from IRA members or from Patty Hearst. Indeed, I see daughter [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Hearst]] is doing rather well for herself.

Link fail: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Hearst

If a child was being raised by white Nazis to regard Jews and homosexuals as subhumans worthy of death, would you consider that an appropriate environment to raise a child?

No. But I'm not sure a court would agree with me.

There are plenty of Muslims in the UK who hold those views, and the courts are not full of child removals.

I honestly could not give a damn about her, her life or what she wants.

If the child does a return I honestly believe that the infant deserves more than a piece of shit like her for a mother. And if she were to keep the child then the poor baby will be raised in an oppressive and abusive environment that will result in another terrorist.
She isn't a good person. She won't be a good mother.

That's enough to remove the baby.

reflectant actively seeking out terrorist groups and joining them is considered an act of terrorism

"If you have supported terrorist organisations abroad I will not hesitate to prevent your return."

And Let's hope you do prevent it HS

And if she were to keep the child then the poor baby will be raised in an oppressive and abusive environment that will result in another terrorist.

And the extended family have already proved they can't protect children from extremist grooming, so they're out as prospective carers.

How do you think the narrative of "British state removes babies from loving families on the basis of their religion" is going to play out as propaganda?

Of course she should be allowed back. Her and her child should not be held responsible for life for the decision she made as a 15 year old child.

Teenagers are stupid. She has enough sense to come back, maybe she's just saying rubbish to look tough and save face

Don't go get her she can make her own way back, once she's here she can't have any communication devises and face punishment for her actions.

After reading this thread, Facebook and the news do you really think the British public will have any strong feelings about this child being placed with a safe loving family over these people?