British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

You did say the S.S. were not recruited from foreign lands - they were.

You are comparing adult males to a 15 year old girl.

I am not in anyway supporting her decision. No matter how repugnant her decisions she is a British citizen and retains her human rights and her rights under international law.

I am not saying lives should be risked to save her. I am pointing out she retains her status as a human and a British citizen.

"The Guardian is one of the most honest media streams you can get information from so regardless of your views I think you should rethink that thought*

Not on the theme of the thread but this is hilarious!

IS no longer exists as a serious threat.

All her language suggests she is still very convinced of the rightness of both Daesh (they hate that name, hence it's what I always call them), and her own actions.
"I don't have high hopes" - but she is still hoping they will succeed, that she still sees this as something to hope for.
"when I saw my first severed head in a bin it didn't faze me at all. It was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam. I thought only of what he would have done to a Muslim woman if he had the chance"
An enemy of Islam - maybe, maybe not. And enemies are so bad they deserve beheading.

There is no remorse or regret. There is just dogma.

The Guardian is one of the most honest media streams you can get information from.

Well that made me snort.

Q

Should the UK strip her of her citizenship or her child's?

No, because it's unlawful to leave a person stateless.

Should any UK official, military or other personnel, risk their lives in order to save her?

Also no, completely disproportionate and unreasonable. Albeit that she made the decision to go there when she was a (vulnerable) minor and is probably brainwashed, she is now an adult and it couldn't possibly be fair to expect someone to put themselves in danger to do that. Whilst sad if something happens to her before her child is born, also worth remembering that an unborn child doesn't really have rights under UK law in that sense?

HIHo thanks for the BBC link which was informative.

Interesting that numbers of UK male supporters of Daesh went out and have come back without this hoo-ha. I wonder what they said, how they kept their passports to return etc.

At 9 months she clearly can't fly except as a medivac which won't happen.

I look forward to her father explaining why she found infidel heads undisturbing, and why she feels Daesh has a future if it's purer. I can sort of understand her thinking her fellow brides were braver to stay for the last stand - that's coherent. As were the last Daesh fighters reportedly fighting to the death in an orchard while their colleagues fled.

You did say the S.S. were not recruited from foreign lands - they were

Looks like you're trying to go into semantics

You are comparing adult males to a 15 year old

Looks like you're still trying to ignore the elephant in the room that is purpoy cloaked under religion

am not in anyway supporting her decision. No matter how repugnant her decisions she is a British citizen and retains her human rights and her rights under international law.
And if you had read my posts, I've never denied this and pointed out she is a British citizen

I am not saying lives should be risked to save her. I am pointing out she retains her status as a human and a British citizen.

Looks like you agree with me and general find of the thread then, not sure why you came in guns a blazing, we can go down the route of non Germans signing up to the SS being comparible to UK citizen's joining IS and blaming it solely on Western intervention if it suits your narrative

I haven't read the thread , apologies.

If anyone wants to know about our government policy on this look up the latest director of public prosecutions and what he's on record as saying regarding these returning citizens.

The role of the media in creating these storms is fascinating. They should focus on reporting on reality and government policy.

You are joking, aren't you? Forty thousand Belgians, six thousand Danes, twenty thousand Estonians, twenty thousand French...the list is endless

Well according to this thread volunteer recruits should be dismissed due to ideological interference, it's the modern day ideological interference that's why this situation has become a globalised topic of dy

I can well believe that SB was in some ways groomed when she was recruited and that made her potentially vulnerable then.

But we are dealing with now NOT then!

NOW, SB is a 19 year old woman with radical, dangerous beliefs, who is immune to the horrors of terrorism. How she reached that mental state is now irrelevant.

It is a shame that she hasn't been tried and imprisoned in Syria. She could then be deported back to the UK at the end of her sentence, and tried and imprisoned again here.

The only thing that is "thick" about posts on here, are those saying we shouldn't let her back into the country. We dont have a choice. No other country will take her, she is sadly our problem. That is the law. Whether we wish that wasn't the case, is irrelevant.

Hopefully, SB's child will be removed as close to birth as possible, and adopted outside of the family, so it can never be told what its parents did.

It is possible to feel sympathy for the 15 year olds who were brainwashed, whilst recognising that sadly, that's in the past and this girl is now dangerous and unrepentant.

Agree with everything you've written, Lucy, apart from where you refer to her as a "girl." She's a full-grown adult, and 100% responsible for her actions.

I saw the father had made it on to the BBC news again allowed to spout unchallenged.

Very disappointing.

If the child was to be adopted out, I think the Muslim (not the terrorist) community would make sure that Social Services place them in a similarly culture/religion home. However, I don't think the child would be removed

I fully expect this woman will be treated with kid gloves and supported with the child. Rehabilitation is the aim.

God help the rest of us

Here we are striving to do the right and just thing for known terrorist supporters, when they are actually laughing in our faces and despising us for our pathetic (in their view) ways.
Vulnerable? This woman is ruthless, pregnant or not, and will exploit us to the last breath and doesn't appear too concerned if we know it.

To all of you saying let her come back. How would you feel if she came back and then made a home made bomb and killed people you loved? She will have seen dreadful things. We know she saw heads of humans in bins but was not fazed by it at all. Her two children died of malnutrition but she had enough food for herself. The sheer cost of protecting her or giving her false identification would be astronomical. She researched and made all of those travel arrangements before going. She was a bright girl who knew exactly what she was doing and only wants to come back now because ISIS is under pressure and shrinking. She has absolutely no regret for what she did, despite her two children dying and all of the worry she caused her family. She is evil and should not be allowed back.

I wondered about the 2 children who died from malnutrition. She, herself, doesn’t look undernourished

I feel really sad about this. She and here friends were incredibly stupid and naive and very likely groomed. At least one has paid with their life. The interview sounds like a young woman who'd been exposed to unspeakable horrors and may well be mentally ill following the deaths of two of her children and most likely her husband.

And the people who groomed them no doubt were groomed themselves

Is this the girl whose poor dad we saw in the parliament committee meeting and we all felt sorry for him.... then pictures emerged of him front stage burning flags of the west with evil expressions!!

If so then no she can't come back. Sadly dad it seems lay the groundwork for radial extreme views...

caring - I would feel no different to how I would for any other British citizen who committed such crimes - though admittedly I would be disappointed she hadn't been charged / kept out of makin harm's way and / or monitored

I wondered about the 2 children who died from malnutrition. She, herself, doesn’t look undernourished

She walked past bins with severed heads in them and thought nothing of it. Wouldn't surprise me if she lied about these supposed children. We only have her word on it.

coolwalking. I'm with you 100% on that. The need that some folks have to appear altruistic, tends to cloud their judgement in matters of this kind.

I think, I hope, common sense will prevail here. The vast majority of sensible people [or "baying mob"] definitely don't want this maniac returned to our shores.

As is usual, the Gov't is waiting to see which way the wind blows. We must keep up the pressure.

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