British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

I think there are ways to stop British citizens.

No, she doesn't have duel nationality and she hasn't gone through the proper process when she publicly denounced said citizenship previously, it's a slippery slope dystopian argument that says we could/should maker her stateless, that's not talking into account the backlash from some when the government follow the letter of the law and deport dual nationals etc.

No,it really isn't, Eliza

Aridane it's a long thread but skimming through, it seems pretty unanimous that she shouldn't be allowed to return or am I thick ?!

According to Dutch newspapers, her husbands has been on trial in absence in the Netherlands and sentenced to 6 years in prison so I don't think he will be granted admission to the UK

Ch4 news (Cathy Newman) interviewed the family lawyer for the three girls who went to Syria. It was one of the most disingenuous interview I've ever seen

*interviews

Cycling, That was not her father. That was Amira Abase's father. Even still, he'll probably be in touch with her so you have a point in that he should be watched.

Anyways, no one has really thought what would happen to this unborn child who could come any minute if she does not come back. I don't care what happens to her, she'll probably be questioned and watched but that baby will need to be protected in whatever way possible.

I get she was a child when she was brainwashed but honestly, I think she should not be allowed back.

Unfortunately the safety of the many should take presidency over the possible benefits of an individual who doesn't really want or attempt remorse.

Instead, she should get support from a local charity and try to do well by her child.

I've been listening to an audiobook called Making Evil by Dr Julia Shaw. It's interesting to see the slippery slope 'evil' cantake you - from one bad choice to another.

But the British public should not be in danger because this woman wants a better life for her child - because life is not a game.

BHStowel*

“She got herself there, she can get herself back. In the unlikely event that happens we can deal with it then.”

This. It’s academic atm, with no British Consular services in Syria. Under no circumstances should the lives of any British citizens be put at risk in an effort to remove this young lady from circumstances of her own making. That she has lost children is a tragedy but no more of a tragedy than the loss of all of the innocent young lives taken by ISIS which, by her actions, she is complicit in. The greater good.

cyclingmad that was the father of Amira Abase, one of Shamima's friends (commonly called the Bethnal Three) who was said to have left the UK at the same time

MadCat & uptheappples thanks for the info about Shamima's husband, but I'm not so sure his potential inability to get into the UK

An asylum application perhaps?

she'll probably be questioned and watched but that baby will need to be protected in whatever way possible.

We will have endless threads about how it's unfair to propose adoption with added fuel of islamaphobia thrown into the mix, it's the perfect situation. A 19yr old male wouldn't cause so much outrage

In order to apply for asylum in the UK, he'd have to get here first. Even then, people who've committed war crimes can be (and in practice frequently are) excluded from the protection of the Refugee Convention.

puzzled If he's been tried in the Netherlands like a pp said, there would be no chance he'd be able to come in the UK. Besides, He'd have note down if he's had any convictions anywhere in the world and plus Dutch and UK intelligence would communicate that fact.

He has no chance of making a successful entry clearance application to the UK, take it from someone whose day job this is. Anyone who thinks he'd have a strong enough human rights case doesn't know enough about human rights law. I guess he could in theory rock up here having gone the Calais lorry route rather than asking for permission, but if that's the case the Dutch are likely to want to extradite him for his crimes and we would co-operate.

justanother That's true, a 19yo male or even the father at his age wouldn't have this outrage either

I think his fingerprints would come up too since everyone over a certain childhood age gets their fingerprints taken when renewing their Dutch passport and that would probably be available to other EU countries. So, he has no chance in hell

He has no chance of making a successful entry clearance application to the UK, take it from someone whose day job this is

That's good to hear; I didn't know he's already been convicted in the Netherlands, but thanks again (and to MatCat) for the info

Duuhhh . bold fail on the title there

We as a country are at fault for allowing 15 year olds to be brainwashed and to leave the country on their own so easily.

So, if it's "our" fault for allowing brainwashing/radicalisation, how is the solution to that letting a known ISIS supporter back into the country to (quite likely) groom others?

she was a child and is now a vulnerable pregnant teenager.
Jesus wept, how naive can one be? Shamima Begum is sure as hell not a vulnerable teen!

What would happen to someone who joined the Nazi party in 1940, left the UK and spent the next 4 or so years in the SS, and then, when the Nazis were clearly losing, came back to the UK?

They'd be vilified as a traitor, I'm sure, prosecuted as such and possibly for war crimes, and imprisoned for quite a long time.

Is this substantially different to the Begum case?

A soldier active in the SS is a long way from the wife of an IS fighter.

For god's sake apply some logic and thought.

Do you really think that every SS soldier was prosecuted at Nuremberg? And their wives as well?

Sometimes the historical illiteracy of the British public astounds me.

ah ok thanks for the correction

Tbf, there is a very good chance that if we/the state just do nothing then this will soon not be a problem. Chances of her giving birth in a refugee camp, and keeping herself and the child alive long enough to reach a country with a British consul on her own must be fairly minimal, I would have thought.

She is 19, she is pregnant for the third time and has lost two other children.

Her views are repugnant.

She is however clearly vulnerable.

These facts are not mutually exclusive.

A soldier active in the SS is a long way from the wife of an IS fighter

So is someone who chose to go to Syria and actively engaged in IS activity.