British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

British citizen? Didn’t most of those who scurried off burn their uk passports and dedicate themselves to their new state?

IS burn their passports for identification purposes and as a control feature.

SB declared herself she was no longer a UK citizen but it's obviously not legal, so she is a UK citizen.

Bomb the shit out of her

And people are getting shitty about being called thick on this thread

IS no longer exists as a serious threat. No there are many branches of radicalised Islam and the name changes constantly. Wasn’t it called Daesh or something?

This BBC article analyses what the UK can do about her and it metions another Jihadi bride who has been jailed after returning

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47240100

It IS will re-form and evolve. They will be back.

It isn’t that organised. IS no longer exists as a serious threat

Most security analysts have said that they have just dissipated into hiding, I admit it's a bit "red under the bed" scare, but considering most countries accept that returning fighters are a lot higher than what they know about there is a grey area.

Agree with the rest of your post though

ISIS arose out of the ashes of Al Qaida. I am not looking forward to next gen.

And people are getting shitty about being called thick on this thread

Some people are hovering over the threads to pick up on posts like that and then apply guilt by association.

Most people can ignore the obviously bait comments and contribute to the subject matter

Wasn’t it called Daesh or something?

Yes but not by them, they hated that name!

Ideally I would like Syria to give her and all other captured IS members life imprisonment. Anyone who was a member of that regime deserves it imo.

In reality I think some charity will help her make her way to a British consulate, she will come back to UK, not serve any prison time, get housing and benefits and keep her child. She will also probably get to bring her jihadi husband over here to join her at some point.

I don’t buy the grooming story. All those who joined IS knew full well the atrocities that were being committed in line with their beliefs. Beheading, burning people alive, keeping slaves including children as sex slaves, none of these things were a secret. This woman’s only regret seems to be that IS became corrupt and therefore didn’t deserve to win. No doubt she would join a purer IS if/when such a group forms.

We have many returned jihadis, they are all ticking time bombs/trojan horses just biding their time. She is just yet another one.

If it had been one of the bizarre Christian rapture cults doing this the focus would be on deproggramming support (which is what tends to happen for victims of white, Christian sects promoting the rapture etc).

It's hardly the same thing though, given that the bizarre Christian rapture cults aren't actually at war with the UK and aren't responsible for murdering dozens of our citizens. Not a valid comparison.

Personally I think if she does end up being assisted to come back, it'll be because she has useful intelligence. At the moment, although she can't be deprived of her citizenship, the UK has no obligation to help her: there are no consular services in Syria, and she'd have to make her own way to somewhere there were. Which is unlikely. But some of the people who have gone over there will have intelligence value. I wouldn't be as quick as some people to assume that if she is allowed back, it'll be due to bleeding heart liberalism.

I'm also surprised that some posters don't believe the account of babies and pregnancy. Even if you find her personally untrustworthy, which I understand, teenage girls in Daesh territory get married off quickly. She's hardly likely to have been in a position to either refuse sex or access contraception, so unless she's medically unable to conceive, of course there'll have been multiple pregnancies. And the infant mortality rates in that region and in refugee camps are horrifying.

The other problem ruth the grooming argument is that you can be pulled into a sexual abuse ring in hours. Once it has happened the “we will tell your parents” or “we will hurt you and your family” blackmail takes hold. One night’s bravado and escape is hard. To obtain the money, documentation and knowledge to fly to IS territory requires weeks of planning, and the alleged groomers have no hold over the recruits. In Rotherham, the survivors were faced with credible threats from people parked outside their house. The Bethnal Green girls make the Slender Man children look rational: there was no threat. They went not only willingly, but under their own steam.

She believes that this country ‘owes her’ because she has a uk passport.

I disagree - if you decide that you not only whish to leave and live elsewhere but wish join a group who murder and main - with the goal to destroy ‘your’ country, and have no qualms in directing murder of your old neighbours and school friends then no. No you have washed your hands of the UK, so you need to live with this choice.

But to be so contrite, there is no regret or acknowledgement that her utopia was built on lies.

I don’t buy the grooming story

She was clearly groomed as a couple of women ended up in prison for it, also the mosque she attended has been cross referenced in other cases.

It's the culpability that's at play now, she is a British citizen and cannot be denied entry, her wanting return because she is pregnant doesn't put her on top of any list though as the government has highlighted they are not willing (rightfully so) risk lives to go and fetch her, Syria could put her up for trail and then we get into the muddy waters of should we step in with almost imperial tendancies to export an enemy combatent to face trail here.

She will also probably get to bring her jihadi husband over here to join her at some point

I thought she'd reportedly said that her husband has disappeared?

Though if that's a lie and she manages to get back to the UK, he'll doubtless "reappear" pretty darned fast

Oh dear Arsefeatures you’re not allowed to say that. I do agree with you though.

Her husband is in the SDF detention camp, and hasn't 'disappeared' as such

If her husband's alive, the odds of him getting past the suitability provisions in the Immigration Rules are remote. Nor would an Article 8 based argument be likely to succeed.

No Reflect not the same thing at all. I’m going to have to compose myself before explainining.

She is a British citizen and cannot be denied entry. I think there are ways to stop British citizens.

Oops!! Stop them returning I mean!

However the 19-year-old says she does not regret joining the terror group and said she was 'weak' for not staying to the bitter end – but now wants to come home.

^^ she can stay where she is thanks

Her father was found to have lied twice over taking his own daughter to extremist rallies. Her own father!!! I remember her father in the papers complaining about why the police didn't stop her leaving.

What kind of father is he - to take her to those rallies where she most likley got influenced in the first place.

Her father should be under watch too!

This has got to be the most unanimous MN thread ever!

Really pleased I am not a liberal.

Some of the comments on this thread make me so angry about the future of Britain. Are you all bringing your children up to think that we should be sympathetic to terrorists and that 'compassion' comes before national security?

Her family are radicals.