British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

No way should she be allowed back, pregnant or not. She's a traitor and in my opinion traitors should be hung.

Returning ISIS fighters have been singled out in violent reprisal attacks have they?

No, but Muslims accused of that have been. For example:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/attacks-muslims-uk-terror-islam-hate-crime-brexit-tell-mama-a8457996.html

The racist narrative is that all Muslims are terrorists. Inviting back into the country Muslims who are terrorists emboldens people who want to act on that racist narrative.

Seems the good doctor was here 2 centuries ago ...

MURRAY. 'It seems to me that we are not angry at a man for controverting an opinion which we believe and value; we rather pity him.'

JOHNSON. 'Why, Sir; to be sure when you wish a man to have that belief which you think is of infinite advantage, you wish well to him; but your primary consideration is your own quiet. If a madman were to come into this room with a stick in his hand, no doubt we should pity the state of his mind; but our primary consideration would be to take care of ourselves. We should knock him down first, and pity him afterwards."

I never said she isn’t a danger. I am sayingntha t many people on here are making assumptions about her having x and y whithiut any evidence at all.

I am actually not sure what is the answer in this case BECAUSE we certainly dint have all the information to make a judgment.

DGR many people who have ended up in extremely traumatic situations (let’s say the massacres in Rwanda) have said similar things. Because there is a point where there is much horrors around that it becomes ‘normal’. Not normal as in it’s ok. But normal as in ‘it’s part of my day to day reality and I had to learn to live with it’.
In similar situations, young teenagers have ended up being brutal killers. Not because they wanted to. But because not doing so meant death. They had no choice but to embrace the killings and the horrors.

These are awful situations. Awful for those who died. Awful for those who committed the crimes, often against friends, families, communities they knew.
The same has happened with ISIS. Whether she is one of those who voluntarily became a ‘killer’ or she is truly a victim is impossible to know from the news reports.

In similar situations, young teenagers have ended up being brutal killers. Not because they wanted to. But because not doing so meant death.

Wow. Bethnal Green is a lot more violent than I expected. Who knew the central line reached places where you had no choice but to become a terrorist as an alternative to being killed by your neighbours?

In similar situations, young teenagers have ended up being brutal killers. Not because they wanted to. But because not doing so meant death. They had no choice but to embrace the killings and the horrors. Those poor children didn't fly to a war zone.

I have lived there and it was a bit rough and ready but not exactly blood in the streets territory. It’s vair trendy these days.

R4 went there to ask locals (male muslins) what they thought of this woman returning. It was a resounding ‘no way’.

She might respond to cult deprogramming, but right now she seems to be saying the Caliphate is still a good idea but it needs to be less corrupt and a bit less beheady.

mrsmuddlepies

PyongyangKipperbang - “do you feel any sympathy at all for the innocent butchered Syrians? Or is all your sympathy reserved for young women?
Lots of innocent Syrian girls were used as sex slaves by ISIS. Don't they deserve acknowledgment?
Some posters are selective with their sympathy.”

This a 1000 times.

All those people beheaded, mostly civilians, many teenage boys. All having their heads sawed off so their death was like something out of the worst banned horror film. It wasn’t a quick job was it.

How about all those women and little girls forceably stripped naked in public so men could buy them. Then raped repeatedly by numerous men daily. Blood running down their legs, disease, forced abortions and death. All those women going from Europe and enforcing rape camps and cheering when someone’s beheaded.

How about those men murdered because they were gay.

Nah, let’s assume they’ve all been indoctrinated and treat them as victims.

We seem to live on a society where nobody’s guilty of anything.

If she’s got dual citizenship strip her of U.K. citizenship. If not, the U.K. should not assist her at all.

It’s very sad if she was groomed/indoctrinated, but she’s now far to dangerous.

SB would only be (relatively) safe in Britain in prison. She'd be persecuted like the Bulger murderers, always sought out. Unable to have any kind of normal life. Perhaps best to seek political asylum in North Korea.

Through work I have had some contact with refugees (& people who support them while displaced). Until they get settled status in a safe country, Most are very forthright in talking up how they were victimised & how awful their situation was, they know they have to make their case strong to be granted asylum. So I don't buy the 'She might be under pressure' story. Hopelessly naive? That I do find easy to believe.

QueenieInFrance

www.cps.gov.uk/terrorism

"It is important to note that in order to be convicted of a terrorism offence a person doesn't actually have to commit what could be considered a terrorist attack. Planning, assisting and even collecting information on how to commit terrorist acts are all crimes under British terrorism legislation"

I agree with this
Whether she is one of those who voluntarily became a ‘killer’ or she is truly a victim is impossible to know from the news reports.

I look at it and think well she was groomed and brainwashed as a child and then I look at how calculated and well organised the trip to Syria was and how she seems to have been quite happy with her new life and I don't know what to think.

Luckily I don't have to determine who and what she really is if she were ever to return to the UK.

She might respond to cult deprogramming, but right now she seems to be saying the Caliphate is still a good idea but it needs to be less corrupt and a bit less beheady. That is very funny

But maybe you've some evidence the whole family were badduns...well evidence beyond them being Muslim - which I can assure isn't actually evidence of anything of the sort.

Maybe it's because Amira Abase's father said the same thing - i.e. how could his daughter have been radicalised, it's all the West's fault etc, she was just an innocent girl (he was photographed doing sad face, clutching her teddy).

It later transpired that he had taken her when she was 13 to at several different Islamist rallies in London (with radical Islamist preachers) and was photographed screaming abuse at police or counter protesters while someone in front of him sets fire to a British flag (even though he'd said he had escaped to the UK for "democracy and freedom").

So. it's not really surprising that some people on this thread would jump to conclusions about the radical tendencies of the families of her friends and their ability to raise their daughter's baby in a non-hateful way.

You can't strip someone's nationality if that's their only one they have otherwise, they'd be stateless which can't happen. The UK only strip naturalised citizenships..

Of course she should be let back in... shes a British pregnant teenager. She should certainly be kept a close eye on but she was a child when she left and despite what she says is very probably traumatised by her experiences. We cant just pretend someone isnt British or entitled to the support of our society because we dont like something she did/said. Terrorist activity is an emotive issue but I'd say the same for any crime... she was a child and is now a vulnerable pregnant teenager.
And what about her baby? Does her baby not deserve a chance at life?

Lol ReflectentMonatomism we northerners knew it. We'll get back to our fields of sheep

Kept a close eye on?!! Jailed is what I think you mean

Maybe it's because Amira Abase's father said the same thing

So because one Muslim was lying they all are?

The only evidence we have that Begum's family aren't fit to raise the baby is that a different Muslim family isn't?

okay...yes...definitely no islamophobia or racism there then.

m3len shut up with the racism crap you ignorant naiive fool and try and use a brain cell to figure out why people find this woman abhorrent.

One article says her mother died, her father remarried? It doesn’t seem as if she necessarily has a family to come back to.

I don’t think we have the resources necessary to get this girl back to a normal human being. I get the impression this whole pathway that she chose to follow started in the up where she lived. How can the uk guarantee she’s not going to come back and become some kind of living martyr in the uk and be just as susceptible here to the indoctrination people claims she’s succumbed to or worse encourage other young people to enter her world.
It’s not the uk tax payers duty to help people who cannot be saved or worse don’t want to. Many many people have been through traumatic experiences and come out and said wow I regret this. She’s failed to do that. Let someone else pick up the tab. Has anyone thought of the victims of her crimes. Do they not matter?

Started out in the uk*

Is anyone considering NOT taking her baby from her immediately post birth?

Nah, let’s assume they’ve all been indoctrinated and treat them as victims.

We seem to live on a society where nobody’s guilty of anything.

This.
And the people who pander to this, make people like SD all the more dangerous.