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British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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themoomoo · 14/02/2019 07:26

Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

OP posts:
Iflyaway · 14/02/2019 17:02

I think the approach here should be for the British and Dutch governments to consider the best interests of the innocent infant, who will be a dual citizen

Please get your facts right. There is no dual citizenship in The Netherlands. (Except for those i.e. Moroccan who cannot give up citizenship).

ReflectentMonatomism · 14/02/2019 17:04

but I didn't know "the other parents sounded equally extreme", though I'd wondered about it

I can't immediately put my hands to a source, but as I recall at least one of the other girls had been raised in a household which had in the past couple of years taken a turn to very conservative Islam. It's hard to find now as it's submerged in articles about Abase's lying parents.

ReflectentMonatomism · 14/02/2019 17:05

If she gives birth before then, then (I think?) the baby will be stateless,

No, it'll be eligible for British citizenship so long as one of the parents is a British citizen. There are some edge-case exceptions, but they don't apply in this case.

VladmirsPoutine · 14/02/2019 17:07

I'm half wondering if she came across the way she did on camera precisely because her life is in danger and thus can't appear too contrite in the face of people who would give no fucks about killing her.

pusspuss9 · 14/02/2019 17:07

at kp058
We as a country are at fault for allowing 15 year olds to be brainwashed and to leave the country on their own so easily.

No we're not. There's a word in the English language called 'responsibility'. If you look it up you will understand that we are all 'responsible' for our actions. It's a nice attribute to have because it allows us to live amongst others in peace and harmony.

arsefeatures · 14/02/2019 17:07

we don't like what they said or allegedly did The first part of that sentence is extraneous, what she has or hasn't 'said' isn't the issue.

There's nothing "alleged" about what she did. She left this country of her own accord and went to give succour to the most atrociously barbarous, murdering gang of zealots imaginable. She's freely admitted as much and is quite proud of the fact.

The security services have some 23,000 “persons of interest" under observation the last time I looked, and it takes 25 police to monitor just ONE suspect.

Do we really need another ?

DGRossetti · 14/02/2019 17:14

Unless they have a political death wish, the British Muslim community would treat her like kryptonite alloyed with plutonium. The vast majority of mainstream Muslims have spent the last ten years distancing themselves from IS, so to welcome her back as "one of us" would leave it for racists to say "see, they're all as bad as each other"

Alternatively, they might feel Islam demands compassion and mercy ?

ReflectentMonatomism · 14/02/2019 17:16

Alternatively, they might feel Islam demands compassion and mercy?

They might. They might even be right, by moral lights, to do so. The practical effect ("Muslims welcome terrorist back to UK" "Mosque raises £20000 for IS bride" etc) would be disastrous. The "Muslims are all terrorist supporters" meme is never quite extinguished, and this would pour gasoline on it.

RickOShay · 14/02/2019 17:16

I thought the same Valdimir.
They are hardly going to help get back to the UK if she isn’t spouting the party line.
Don’t believe the hype.

arsefeatures · 14/02/2019 17:17

So the likely outcome would be violence against random Muslim women of roughly the same

What is the basis for making this claim ?

StealthPolarBear · 14/02/2019 17:17

Surely the British Muslim community will feel much like everyone elsr

DGRossetti · 14/02/2019 17:18

They might. They might even be right, by moral lights, to do so. The practical effect ("Muslims welcome terrorist back to UK" "Mosque raises £20000 for IS bride" etc) would be disastrous. The "Muslims are all terrorist supporters" meme is never quite extinguished, and this would pour gasoline on it.

My limited understanding of most religions is that they're supposed to be practised for the benefit of ones immortal soul, rather than good publicity. Although I could be wrong, I guess Hmm

ReflectentMonatomism · 14/02/2019 17:18

They are hardly going to help get back to the UK if she isn’t spouting the party line.

Who's they in this context? She's in a refugee camp where most of the occupants are victims of, not survivors of, IS. IS has ceased to exist militarily, financially and organisationally as a state on the ground, and is now a diaspora. Who are "they" and what "help" would they offer? Most of the people she's amongst right now would gladly see her dead.

theworldistoosmall · 14/02/2019 17:21

Just reading old articles. She stole her older sisters passport to gain entry into Turkey. The girls would have needed to either forged their parents' signatures to get into Turkey because of their ages, or their families willingly filled in the forms.
They didn't wake up one morning and decide to go. They would have been planning this for weeks. And one of the girls wasn't reported missing until the Wednesday morning wtaf.

TopBitchoftheWitches · 14/02/2019 17:23

How can she fly back if she is 9 months pregnant?

No one/pilot would risk that, as far as I am aware.

theworldistoosmall · 14/02/2019 17:27

*So the likely outcome would be violence against random Muslim women of roughly the same

What is the basis for making this claim ?*

Think about over the years where people have been attacked because they share a name with known criminals. So it's not unreasonable to think that attacks on Muslim females would occur.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/02/2019 17:28

Taqiya, in a culture that she despises and will have every bit of evidence to argue is weak and corrupt. After all, only a weak and corrupt nation would let it's openly declared deadly enemies into it's territory, right?

I believe you've just raised an important point, Mephistopheles. Quite apart from the obvious security risks, there's the question of what message it sends when our country is so relaxed in dealing with those who wish us harm ... an attitude which often earns us little more than derision

It's this same attitude which enables some to blame everyone else for what the terrorism supporters have done - and expect to be taken seriously

Jux · 14/02/2019 17:29

A poster upthead suggested that she should be treated as vulnerable people with mental health problems, and I agree with this. As a country, we can't afford to have n exclusive special place for ex-IS brides but I wonder quite how many there are likely to be anyway, so sh can be shoved in to one of our existing Special Hospitals (Myra Hyndley's old gaffe is about the only one I know anything about).

DGRossetti · 14/02/2019 17:29

Think about over the years where people have been attacked because they share a name with known criminals.

Or a profession like paediatrician ....

ReflectentMonatomism · 14/02/2019 17:30

How can she fly back if she is 9 months pregnant?

No one/pilot would risk that, as far as I am aware.

If there were a group of UK citizens, perhaps diplomats or ex-pat workers, in random country X, which suddenly fell into political chaos, the UK government would fly them out. In the limit, they'd fly them out using a C130 full of tough blokes with guns. And if some of them happened to be nine months pregnant or, indeed, in active labour, or bleeding from a large gunshot wound, or had a potential fatal and communicable disease, that would be just the sort of stuff that C130s full of tough blokes deal with. Military evacuation flights deal with what's in front of them, and they don't say "no, we'll leave you to the bad guys, because we don't fancy the risk".

Even if it weren't a C130 full of tough blokes, but were a civilian airliner chartered by the UK government to evacuate people from a country with a military coup in progress, they would evacuate people from a coup irrespective of their medical condition. There would be risks; those would be risks to deal with. We have air ambulances, we have flying operating theatres. Defence medicine can do this sort of shit, up to an including what amounts to flying ICUs.

Commercial airlines place limits on where they will operate, and whom they will carry, which military and government charters don't. If the UK government want to fly someone who is 9 months pregnant, they can do just that. Her problem is that the UK government would rather saw its metaphorical legs off than lift a finger to help her., so she's reliant on a commercial airline flying a 9 month pregnant woman out of a warzone. That's a harder problem.

QueenieInFrance · 14/02/2019 17:30

Im gong to defend the other side, just because I dint think anyth8ng is as black an white as some posters seem to think.

As far as we know, we don’t know if

  • she hasn’t looked after her dcs and let them die of malnutrition or if war is at the origin of that
  • we have no idea if she has been one of those who were guards and played an active part in posturing or killing other people or if she has herself been raped and used by the fighters (not unusual for them to ‘share’ the women as there are so few of them)
  • we have no idea if she is just a psychopath or if she has been VERY let down by people around her when she was in the uk, people who didn’t protect her from the grooming when she was still a child (they wouod have started to groom her when she was 13~14yoif she left at 15) and ended up groomed and brainwashed.
  • we have no idea if she is at risk if she says she regrets joining them or if she really believes that.

The reality is, we have no fucking clue and I am very uncomfortable about people (on here but nit just in here) who are judging her on hearsay and preconceived ideas.

DGRossetti · 14/02/2019 17:34

Im gong to defend the other side, just because I dint think anyth8ng is as black an white as some posters seem to think.

I think anyone who can admit to seeing bins full of severed heads (lets not think about how they got there Shock ) without any indication of revulsion, horror, or empathy with the victims has really cleared any shades of grey about themselves off the table. Or is that my inner snowflake ?

ReflectentMonatomism · 14/02/2019 17:36

QueenieInFrance It's perfectly possible for someone to have become a danger to society for reasons which are not their fault, but they are still a danger to society. So what do you do? All of your points, taken as charitably as possible, just say that she's a danger to society who didn't choose to be a danger to society, but to whom it happened by accident. OK, so she's an accidental danger to society. She's still a danger to society. What should we do?

arsefeatures · 14/02/2019 17:37

theworldistoosmall. Returning ISIS fighters have been singled out in violent reprisal attacks have they? I must have missed that.....