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British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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themoomoo · 14/02/2019 07:26

Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

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themoomoo · 14/02/2019 14:11

The was GROOMED, BRAINWASHED
they actively sought out the information themselves; they weren't targeted by some rogue radical preacher.
They weren't groomed.

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mrsmuddlepies · 14/02/2019 14:11

PyongyangKipperbang, do you feel any sympathy at all for the innocent butchered Syrians? Or is all your sympathy reserved for young women?
Lots of innocent Syrian girls were used as sex slaves by ISIS. Don't they deserve acknowledgment?
Some posters are selective with their sympathy.

omarlarge · 14/02/2019 14:11

Jacom Rees Mogg was just speaking about this on TV and I agree with what he said (a first!).

Basically, he said the law must take its course in that she is entitled to come back here as she is a British Citizen, and that investigations would need to be made to see if she has committed any crimes.

I think he mentioned there could be an exclusion order made so that she couldn't come back until investigations were completed.

He also spoke about her being more sinned against than sinning, which I do agree with. She was a child when she was groomed and radicalised. She's stil only 19 and so there is a chance for her to be rehabilitated.

teaandgingercake · 14/02/2019 14:12

Well that just makes you as bad

It really really doesn’t, but if it did......who bloody cares.

PyongyangKipperbang · 14/02/2019 14:12

Is she the person who's father was frequently on the news berating the British state for letting his innocent daughter go and turned out was an extremist himself who belonged to Anjem Choudhury's group.

So further reasons why her view of such things may well not be normal, but she is an evil hate figure who should be dumped in Syria and left to it? No sympathy for her upbringing within a cult? No sympathy for being groomed? No understanding that perhaps she needs help and deprogramming?

Nice.

Real nice.

sagradafamiliar · 14/02/2019 14:12

It's not one or the other, mrs. Why on earth wouldn't anyone feel sympathy for all the innocents murdered by that regime?

53rdWay · 14/02/2019 14:13

oh, I hate agreeing with Jacob Rees-Mogg. But he’s right on this.

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themoomoo · 14/02/2019 14:14

sagarada
this is a direct quote
She said: 'Mostly it was a normal life in Raqqa, every now and then bombing and stuff. But when I saw my first severed head in a bin it didn't faze me at all. It was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam.

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PyongyangKipperbang · 14/02/2019 14:14

PyongyangKipperbang, do you feel any sympathy at all for the innocent butchered Syrians?

Of course I do, what a stupid bloody question.

Its perfectly possible to feel sympathy for every victim of IS, you might want to try it.

derxa · 14/02/2019 14:15

It reminds me of the BBC drama 'State', where the female doctor goes out to join ISIS Yes that was a brilliant drama. It had a chilling ending where I think an official said 'You haven't been a good mother' or similar.
There is a danger of glamourising this woman. I actually feel sorry for her being taken in by lies.

Viciousrooster · 14/02/2019 14:16

Couldn't give a fuck if she was a child when she left. The comments she made as a 19 year old adult, in which she essentially expressed her continuing belief in the murderous ideology espoused by IS, condemns her.

The simple fact is that were Islamic State still an entity, and were she 'safe' within, then she'd still be there, happily gazing at the severed heads of those who might otherwise have killed muslims (her words)

Take the kid off her, then let the vultures have her.

teaandgingercake · 14/02/2019 14:17

That’s not the way our laws work. Lobby to get it changed if you want but there’s a process for that, we don’t just ditch it when we find it inconvenient.

In times of war it can. We are at war with terrorism, we are allowed to ban her from coming back. We don’t need to lobby, the laws are in place.

CameliaCamelia · 14/02/2019 14:17

Let the kid be adopted by her family??

53rdWay · 14/02/2019 14:17

I can believe she thought/was told that the severed head she saw was from someone she could mentally justify as deserving it. It could’ve been one of Assad’s soldiers, IS would have told her over and over again in horrific detail what Assad’s soldiers did to prisoners and rebels. But there’s no way she didn’t know what else IS were doing to other people, including to teenage girls like her who happened to be Yazidi.

Tunnocks34 · 14/02/2019 14:17

I’m really conflicted on this issue, and I still can’t decide how I feel.

O the one hand, I’ve been trained on brain washing, I’m fairly aware of how effective and catostrophic it is, particularly on the young, and vulnerable. She is a victim of this.

On the other, she quite clearly believes she was right, believes the ISIS ideology and actually seems to regret not being brave enough to stay and fight alongside the two she left with.

Half of me thinks we should allowed her back in, offer therapy, monitoring and support. The other half of me thinks we should just leave her where she is.

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themoomoo · 14/02/2019 14:18

sagarada read the full interview; she absolutely does say she doesn't regret running to IS
Why are some people so desperate to find excuses for dangerous people?

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53rdWay · 14/02/2019 14:19

In times of war it can. We are at war with terrorism, we are allowed to ban her from coming back.

no, bollocks, we do not abandon our laws and our way of life because we are ‘at war with terrorism’. When haven’t we been at war with terrorism?

We can’t strip her of her British citizenship as our laws stand at present. If you want that changed then lobby to get that changed, write to your MP, find groups pressing for it (I’m sure there’ll be some). Don’t just suggest we abandon the country’s legal system.

Guavaf1sh · 14/02/2019 14:19

She made her bed - leave her there

omarlarge · 14/02/2019 14:21

I agree 53rdWay. We can't just selectively choose to ignore the law in individual cases, however much people might want that.

theworldistoosmall · 14/02/2019 14:23

Her husband was taken in 2017, after they fled Raqqa in January of that same year He handed himself in and was detained for 6 months. She didn't. She could have left then with the 2 children. If she truly wanted to leave she could have made this choice in 2015 when it would have been apparent that shit, the stuff on the news is actually real and people are killed and bombed.

My views have nothing to do with racism, but terrorism. I had the same views as Jidadi John, Samantha Whithwaite, Sally Jones, Kerry Thomason etc. And I feel the same about SB's husband. They should face the consequences of their actions in the country. Anyone who leaves to join a terrorist group should have their passports revoked.

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Mymycherrypie · 14/02/2019 14:24

Let the kid be adopted by her family??

No way. They’ve proven they can’t protect a child.

Elfinablender · 14/02/2019 14:24

How do we know that she is not saying the right things so that she can leave safely?

teaandgingercake · 14/02/2019 14:24

53rdway It’s not bollocks at all, we can and do.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43601925

Powergower · 14/02/2019 14:26

The 'us' and ' them' narrative here is ridiculous. Don't you get it? She was/is one of us. We have to deal with her as we would any criminal (if that's what she is). No one has the right to strip her of her citizenship and anyone making that statement is making themselves look utterly ludicrous.

teaandgingercake · 14/02/2019 14:28

Get your facts right before you rush to contradict too. @53rdway*