British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

[themoomoo]

Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

It would be a very bad idea to create any precedent for a country stripping its citizens of their nationality and making them stateless. No matter how worked up you are over one (likely v inaccurate) Daily Fail article.

Why is it ludicrous to want people stripped of passports when they decide to join a terrorist group? When a person makes that choice they are saying a huge fuck you to the country. Perhaps if passports where revoked it would make them think about more knowing that when reality sets in, they don't have the safety net of their original country.

No matter how worked up you are over one (likely v inaccurate) Daily Fail article.

Wasn't it a Times reporter who interviewed her and the rest are just reporting from that?

Wasn't it a Times reporter who interviewed her and the rest are just reporting from that
yes it was.

No way should she be allowed to keep the child. That kid did not ask for a mental mother, let it go to a family that deserves a baby so it has a chance of growing up ok

I sympathise with what has happened to her, she was radicalised as a naive young teen and continued to be so as an ISIS bride. She has obviously been through huge trauma. BUT the fact of the matter is that their ideology (for want of a better word) will surely now be so deeply entrenched in her that she will pose a significant threat in the UK, both as a potential terrorist or by radicalising others.

teandgingercake not that simple. The government’s justification in that case was that the fighters did hold dual citizenship, so it wasn’t making them stateless. And that got appealed through the courts anyway.

Recent court judgment on U.K. stripping citizenship:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/british-citizenship-removal-isis-terrorists-extremists-stateless-illegal-blocked-court-bangladesh-a8645241.html

It seems there is literally nothing that a young woman will be condemned for by some.

I'm sick to death of all this "deprogramming" bullshit, this is just another form of brainwashing and doesn't work. Being so naive as to think that everyone will reach the same conclusions more or less as long as there aren't bad men around to poison their fragile minds is absolutely crazy. It says a lot about the political persuasion of those who believe in it. How far would it go ? Can we deprogram all religious beleivers to give up their faith when confronted with scientific evidence ? Doesn't work and can't be trusted.

She’s neglected two children to the point of starvation. She is utterly unfit to be a parent.

No matter how worked up you are over one (likely v inaccurate) Daily Fail article.
And here we have yet another example of someone trying to shut down debate by ridiculing an opposing view as having come from the Daily Mail. Except in this case, it has NOT come from there.

Why is it ludicrous to want people stripped of passports when they decide to join a terrorist group?

It’s not about passports but about citizenship. There are laws against making people stateless, which is what you effectively do if you take away someone’s citizenship and they aren’t also a citizen of somewhere else. We can’t just toss aside existing legal structures in the case of bad people.

The thing about brain washing though is that even those doing the brainwashing have originally been brainwashed into their way of thinking. So you can’t just have sympathy for the attractive (by that I mean young, british, perhaps girls) you have to have sympathy for them all including those who brainwashed her in the first place since they too will have been brainwashed to be where they are.

So where do you draw that line? Either you acknowledge that isis are all murdering ideologists or you acknowledge that they’re all victims. You can’t have it both ways.

Also she is the responsibility of the Syrian government now, not us.

It would be a very bad idea to create any precedent for a country stripping its citizens of their nationality and making them stateles

It would be a far worse precedent to let isis fighters who have turned their back on their country to let them back in. I bet the majority of the country would agree. It would also more than likely make any future would be isis fighters think twice from doing the same. It’s time to stop being soft.

As 53rd Way said, naturalised citizens have had their citizenship removed. Not sole UK nationals.

@Justanotherlurker I believe the other ISIS recruit you were thinking of, whose father lied about his own involvement, was Amira Abase ... though I also believe this current one, Shamima Begum, actually left the UK with her

Which reminds me to wonder what the views of Shamima's own family are, and what effect these might have on the "rehabilitation" some feel she should undergo. Would they be able to support this, or would she simply be returning to another vipers' nest of ISIS support?

FWIW I might have more feeling for Shamima if the issue concerned only her. But it doesn't - as said it's about the risk to everyone else, and I'm another who gets a little tired of that risk being constantly minimised, whether that's because of "a lack of resources", virtue signalling or something else

Why say she neglected her children to the point of starvation? They were living in a beseiged town in a war zone, there’s plenty of reports of children in Syria dying in those circumstances.

Surely what this woman has done and said is bad enough, we don’t need to invent things on top of it.

For those saying deprogramme, look at how well it worked for John Venables.

So further reasons why her view of such things may well not be normal, but she is an evil hate figure who should be dumped in Syria and left to it? No sympathy for her upbringing within a cult? No sympathy for being groomed? No understanding that perhaps she needs help and deprogramming?

No, I'm not saying she shouldn't come back, she can make her own way to the consulate and we can go from there, it's you who is trying to downplay the situation here and make out no one else has compassion.

The ISIS wives were also guards in the rape/slave camps. They were part of a close knit community that enabled and committed the crimes. Irma Grese and Ilse Koch are comparisons, not the poorly groomed "kid" you want to make her out to be.

Surely it doesn't take that much thought to see the implications of governments being able to revoke citizenship?

It’s time to stop being soft.

So write to your MP. Engage with the existing processes we have in our democracy to change the law. That’s a better approach than suggesting we just throw our laws out of the window if someone thinks they’re ‘soft’.

You don't need to quote other bits of the interview to me, moo. I read it.

She's also lost two of her children to the attacks. I suspect UK/US forces will ensure she's killed before she gets the chance to return.

She doesn't seem particularly sorrowful.
How convinced are we she isn't in the business of Brainwashing other young girls?

So where do you draw that line? Either you acknowledge that isis are all murdering ideologists or you acknowledge that they’re all victims. You can’t have it both ways.

^ This ^ Surely all terrorists are brainwashed to some extent. So let's just give them all a free pass to do as they want because they are victims.