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British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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themoomoo · 14/02/2019 07:26

Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

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PyongyangKipperbang · 14/02/2019 13:56

She's in a refugee camp, not still with IS

But she isnt in a place where she could feel safe enough to speak freely. I would think that what she says when she is truly away from them will mean more. If she stands by her "No regrets" attitude then of course it should be dealt with appropriately, but she was groomed ffs!

When a 15 year old girl ran off with her teacher she was considered a victim. Why is the grooming of a girl into a terrorist sect not considered as bad as grooming her into sex? She is still a victim imo and needs help rather than condemnation. She is the victim of a cult and should be treated as such.

Aridane · 14/02/2019 13:56

Like Ben Wallace MP (Minister of State for Security) I agree that she can return to the UK but that she may face prosecution. I also agree with Ben wallace, however, that a rescue attempt need not be launched and that she will first need to get to a consulate.

Funny here to agree with e government and strongly disagree with the majority of posters!

Jsmith99 · 14/02/2019 13:57

No racism from me. I would say ‘she made her bed, let her lie in it’ irrespective of her ethnicity.

StealthPolarBear · 14/02/2019 13:57

Why should we dump her on Syria tiscold? They don't want her. Why not Ireland, France, Spain or Italy?

FilthyforFirth · 14/02/2019 13:57

I dont think she should be allowed back. I would worry she has an ulterior motive and she would be behind an attack.

mrsmuddlepies · 14/02/2019 13:58

Cushioncuddle, what about the victims who were butchered and had their heads left in the bin? Do you feel any sympathy for them?
There must be an acknowledgment of support for them and their families before any help is given to Shamima Begum.
There is a lot of victim blaming (and refusal to acknowledge) the fact that ISIS killed thousands of innocent people. Shamima must show remorse if she wants to be forgiven.

Original poster
themoomoo · 14/02/2019 13:59

When a 15 year old girl ran off with her teacher she was considered a victim. Why is the grooming of a girl into a terrorist sect not considered as bad as grooming her into sex
because the girl running off with her teacher wasn't supporting murderers and terrorists who hate most everything about western civilization and wants us dead.

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PyongyangKipperbang · 14/02/2019 13:59

I have to say I am disgusted at those who say fuck her, abandon her and her baby to their fate.

That makes you as barbaric as the people who did those beheadings. Where is your humanity?!

She was a child when she left. A child who was groomed and clearly had no idea what she was getting into. That she hasnt seen her way out of the cult yet doesnt mean she deserves to die.

jannier · 14/02/2019 14:00

I wonder how much of her comments are guarded by the fact she is still over there and surrounded by extremists so no matter what she now believes as a young adult rather than a naïve impressionable 15 year old she cant speak freely.
I don't think she should be allowed freedom here but do think her child needs to be saved and sheltered.

Aridane · 14/02/2019 14:00

"at the time of her disappearance four years ago Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, then Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said if the girls came back they would be treated as 'victims' who were groomed online and would not be prosecuted.

Around 800 men, women and children from Britain went to Syria and Iraq to join ISIS - but 400 returned and only around 40 have been prosecuted for terrorism offences.

The majority have been put in the dock using Section 5 of the Terrorism Act 2000, which relates to 'preparation of terrorist acts' and can be applied to jihadi brides if they can prove they were 'assisting others' in preparing or carrying out acts of terror.

Those convicted using this law have been jailed for up to seven years - but the law is being changed to increase this to ten years in prison.

Sir Peter Fahy, former head of Greater Manchester Police, said he could understand why Britain is "not particularly interested" in bringing her back.

He said: 'If the woman was showing complete remorse, it would be completely different'.

Former Met Chief Superintenden Dal Babu said she and her friends were 'victim of brainwashing'.

Labour MP Harriet Harman said: 'I agree. 4 years ago she was only 14. Groomed online (I presume) lured abroad to be used for sex, became pregnant, lost babies. CPS will consider prosecution if she’s committed crimes. But UK is her home'."

Original poster
themoomoo · 14/02/2019 14:00

A child who was groomed and clearly had no idea what she was getting into
on her laptop were videos and photos of people being executed/ beheaded etc. She knew full well what she was getting into

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Aridane · 14/02/2019 14:01

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partial bold fail above

PyongyangKipperbang · 14/02/2019 14:01

An eye for an eye, eh?

Well that just makes you as bad.

StealthPolarBear · 14/02/2019 14:02

If the girls came back. She's now a woman who has joined a terrorist organisation and presumably been an enthusiastic participant

teaandgingercake · 14/02/2019 14:03

So what she’s a British citizen. Time to get tough and strip her of it, No way should she be allowed to return. She’s an enemy of the country and should be treated as such.

Aridane · 14/02/2019 14:03

The compassionate text I quoted above was from the Daily Mail!

MissionItsPossible · 14/02/2019 14:03

Well that just makes you as bad.

How is a comment made on MN anywhere near as bad as terrorism? Hmm

feelingverylazytoday · 14/02/2019 14:03

A child who was groomed and clearly had no idea what she was getting into
Bullshit. The actions and idealogy of Isis were very well documentated, of course she had an idea.

PyongyangKipperbang · 14/02/2019 14:05

Caring and compassionate MN eh?

The was GROOMED, BRAINWASHED. What part of that are you not getting? This has been accepted by experts, or are you saying MN knows better?

She was a child, isnt much more than one now. But yes, let the bitch die....

Aridane · 14/02/2019 14:05

Just to repeat: I agree with the UK government's position on this (ie she can return but may be prosecuted) and not the majority rabid posters on this thread

placemats · 14/02/2019 14:08

Why don't you all just start a thread about the benefits of bringing back hanging.

Then you can all have conversations about whether it's suitable or not to bring your children aged 15 to a public hanging and if it will affect them.

btw sarcasm alert!

53rdWay · 14/02/2019 14:09

So what she’s a British citizen. Time to get tough and strip her of it

That’s not the way our laws work. Lobby to get it changed if you want but there’s a process for that, we don’t just ditch it when we find it inconvenient.

Justanotherlurker · 14/02/2019 14:09

A child who was groomed and clearly had no idea what she was getting into.

That's an assumption on your part to frame your argument.

She renounced her citizenship herself though its not recognised hence why the UK Gov have not said she cannot come back.

Either it shows her convictions are so strong that she couldn't bring herself lie and feign regret, or she just thinks the UK is so benevolent and forgiving that they would let her in regardless of what she says.

Is she the person who's father was frequently on the news berating the British state for letting his innocent daughter go and turned out was an extremist himself who belonged to Anjem Choudhury's group.

We have offered to do what we can, she finds herself to a consulate and she can come back, otherwise its for the SDF to process her through their channels considering she was at war with them.

sagradafamiliar · 14/02/2019 14:09

'I don't regret coming here' this is the daily mail. She could've been talking about the camp she's fled to. She's fled ISIS.
I agree with pyong.