British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

When the case of the German girl was in the news there was a lot of sympathy for her. No one ever suggested she be offloaded to Somali or Pakistan. Any poster who doesn't see any racism in this thread really needs to reflect on their views.

We as a country are at fault for allowing 15 year olds to be brainwashed and to leave the country on their own so easily.

What the actual fuck have I just read ?

Nope, nope, nope.
Made her bed and she can lie in it.
She didn't give a stuff for anyone she was a witness to the no doubt horrific murder of, she watched two offspring starve to death, and now she wants a nice NHS delivery, a home and money from us, who lets face it she would've stood by and watched as we were all murdered?
Hang round with genocidal lunatics and that's your problem love. Not mine.

She has family here, CameliaCamelia, they might well take the baby rather than put it into the adoption system.

When the case of the German girl was in the news there was a lot of sympathy for her
not from me there wasn't
Any poster who doesn't see any racism in this thread really needs to reflect on their views
I've reflected and decided I still don't want a dangerous terrorist lover who shows no remorse to live in the same country as myself.
You are looking for racism where there is none .
What do you suggest happens to her power?

She won't qualify for benefits as she won't meet the habitual residency requirement. As previously stated.

As stated previously, she will qualify for lots of help - straight to the front of the council housing queue and lots of lovely things to sweeten her rehabilitation (she will be in a privileged position!).

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/home-office-jihadis-council-houses-isis-support-fight-terrorism-strategy-operation-constrain-a8030321.html

I agree with the poster who said
The head in the bin belonged to someone, he had a life and parents before he was savagely murdered and yet she didn’t seem to care..
By not acknowledging her crime, she is victim blaming. The heads in the bin were humans too, they were innocent victims.
If she refuses to express remorse to their families then I wonder how we can possibly support her.
I am shocked how many posters suggest supporting her but the butchered victims, presumably male, are not worth an acknowledgment. Yes, we should look out for her baby but if she wants to come back, there has to be a public statement of apology from her for the victims and their families.

Legally, though, she can't, as PP have said, be denied entry to the UK, as she's a citizen. And legally, again, she can't be stripped of her British citizenship as it's the only one she has.

There are people living in the UK who hold her views - people who didn't go to Syria or Iraq. Arguably, if she does get herself to a UK port of entry, she's better off facing the justice system and intelligence surveillance: at least her views are known and she's been identified - unlike those who haven't been identified who hold similar opinions.

mothertruck3r you seem very focused on council houses. Do you really think that’s the ultimate evil Islamic State end-goal? Getting British council houses?

If she gets to somewhere with consular services, which isn’t going to be a merry skip, hop and a jump from a Syrian detention camp, then she is still a British citizen and should legally be treated as such. That means CPS should decide whether to prosecute her, security services should determine how much of a threat she is/may become, social services should determine the best place for her child to grow up.

No way should she be allowed back into the country but maybe the baby to be adopted or brought up by her family.

Let her back and have her baby, lets not punish the unborn child by condemning it to death.

After that first plane back to syria, drop her off in the middle of nowhere and wish her well, and hope your terrorist buddies come help you.

It reminds me of the BBC drama 'State', where the female doctor goes out to join ISIS. I think it was based on true stories. She watches her son being taught to play football with the heads of executed prisoners and this and other factors helped her decide to come home.
She was truly shocked at Heathrow to find her son taken into care and told that if she wished to have contact with him she had to lead a blameless life.
I doubt that she will actually return. She must realise that she would need to acknowledge the brutality and barbaric behaviour of ISIS. She will not be prepared to do that. To live anything like a normal life in the UK she must show remorse.
I do feel a certain sympathy for her because of her age but I cannot get over the lack of sympathy from her (and from posters on here) for the victims.

She should not be allowed back. She could be a huge risk to national security. She chose to go and sided with ISIS.The enormous cost to the tax payer to protect her form those who would want to do her harm would be an endless money pit. She should be repatriated in another country with a false identity and we should take another such person in return. She is probably unaware that ss will assess her ability to parent the child. She has apparently let her other two children starve of malnutrition. Clearly enough food for her though.

She's still there, presumably with her much older husband and the controlling rules and rulers. She is hardly going to say "I hate it, I have been raped, coerced and kept captive, please rescue me" is she?!

I prefer to keep an open mind until she is somewhere she can speak freely without fear of retribution. I think she should be allowed home.

It's heartbreaking all round. How does a 15 year old end up so conditioned and groomed that to live abroad and be used and abused by/with the worst type of murderers currently roaming the earth, seems like a good idea?
Two children dying a horrible death and another innocent heading the same way. As a humane society with the culture of human rights we have, we're going to have to step in and do what's right.

As a British citizen she has the right to come home, and as a British citizen she will be charged with terrorist offences. Her baby has the right to a peaceful life.
Personally I think she sounds mentally ill but that doesn't detract from the seriousness of her crime and I'm sure she would get a custodial sentence and be monitored. She knows what will happen. It's up to her to get herself to the nearest British consulate and hand herself in if she wants to do what's best for her baby.

She's still there, presumably with her much older husband
her husband isn't with her; he's been taken prisoner
She's in a refugee camp, not still with IS

Absolutely agree the baby shouldn't be condemned to death. He or she has done nothing but be conceived. Couldn't give a monkeys what happens to the mother.

The child can come back and be placed for adoption within a loving family. She can stay exactly where she is. She’d made a terrible mother anyway, what with all the severed hands, swords and bomb equipment all over the house.

She is a woman with many connections to terrorism, so no I would not want to see her back here. She did not return when pregnant the first or second time.

Is it as simple as saying her choice she now has to deal with it.
If those three girls had been targeted and brainwashed in this country were they acting with rational thought and understanding of what they were doing.
How she spoke on the interview. Was that how she wanted to talk or was it how she had to talk.
Does someone who has been brainwashed not deserve help. The power of these people is frightening. How they can manipulate thoughts and reality.

It's not so black and white in my head. Can this girl be helped. Can the damage be undone. She was a child when she left. Do we know how many years she'd been subjected to being groomed before she left. Would it be too dangerous to have her back now. There are so many unknowns.

She's in a refugee camp

It’s an SDF detention camp I think - where the families of ISIS fighters get put after the fighters surrender.

This being Mumsnet there are always some tiresome posts suggesting absolutely everything's about race when actually, for some of us, this is purely about risk

Despite her obvious lack of remorse I've no doubt this woman claims she's thinking of a safe future for her child, and whether that's true or not I couldn't say since I don't know her. But surely it's about balancing the possible risk to one woman and her child against the very real risk which she could pose to others as a result of her views and history?

I realise the shroud-wavers and virtue-signallers like to cry "waaahhh, poor victim" and, if that fails, fall back on racism allegations, but actually some of us would quite like the interests of ordinary, innocent citizens to be given rather more weight than they are

Alan Henning. David Haines. Breaded by ISIS whilst delivering aid. Am I a racist because I don’t want anyone in this country who thinks their deaths were right.

To say it’s racist to NOT want a person who hates the West, the UK, it’s Laws and way of life, it’s freedoms....sorry but imo, you are misguided

She should not be allowed to come back, no way.