Men on a post natal ward

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The guy in the next bay is pissing me right off.
He just asked the midwife for a bed. Dick.

Why are they allowed to stay anyway? Shouldn’t they be going home?

Sorry just ranting.

Maybe it’s all part of the plan to dismantle the NHS? Move partners in and the professionals can just slowly disappear.

Arguing for better health care would be a start.

Christ almighty? Did I just read this?

Baby1onboard11 Thu 24-Jan-19 16:16:45
@blanche - you’ve missed my point completely - I’m saying it’s amazing how happy some women are when multiples hands have been up their vagina but they’re get pissy at partners in the ward who are sat behind a curtain supporting their partner and new baby because a ‘man is in my space’

Wow!

Fuck me.

So because I've given birth, maybe I'm a free for all to have men stick their dicks up me? Eh?
You absolute twerp.

It’s better for partners to get some rest to cope when you are home and there’s no professionals surely?

I find it less scary at home than in hospital.

God. I'm actually going to get banned if I respond to that post. I feel like vomiting.

I actually don't see an issue with dismantling the NHS.

Orchid you articulate your point really very well.
It’s about the greater good and best thing for all women who have to share a space post natally.
As opposed to each one out for themselves, ‘my husband is not Abusive/disrespectful and is available to help me as it’s our firstborn/we are lucky enough to have other childcare. As long as I’m ok stuff the woman whose husband controls her and won’t let her speak to a hcp alone so stays 24/7 making everyone else uncomfortable. Stuff anyone who suffers the scruffy bloke not washing his hands and bringing god knows what infections in’.

KateArronax Hell no!

@Costner - that’s not what I’ve said is it, if I was going to say you should be happy to let men shove their dicks up you then I would have. How you choose to interpret (wrongly) what I’ve put is your problem. Twerp.

I’ve had my babies, I have no use for these services.

Buggered if I’m not going to keep on fighting for women only spaces for all women when they need them the most.

After all, they could also potentially be abusive, no?

They are patients. They are on the ward to be cared for, as patients. Partners, be they male or female, are not patients.

Most patients do not want to share accommodation even with patients of the other sex. I know you personally find this odd and hard to believe, but it is nevertheless true, and that’s why the NHS is generally single-sex wards as standard now.

Everyone would likely prefer single rooms to shared wards anyway, and not have to share with anybody. But given that shared wards are our only option for most postnatal stays, it is not sexist or prudish or genital-obsessed to want to at the very least get the same rights to single-sex wards that we would elsewhere in the hospital.

It’s better for partners to get some rest to cope when you are home and there’s no professionals surely?

Not everyone feels like that. My partner felt terrible guilt for leaving me to look after our baby, especially with our second child as I had been rushed to theatre a few hours before he had to leave and he knew I wasn't looked after well by midwives first time around. He didn't go home and rest. He stayed up all night worrying, talking to relatives and friends. We both would have felt better if he'd stayed at the hospital with us.

I'm literally praying that the 'multiple hands up their vagina' comment didn't come from a woman.

Another thing.

A poster way back in the thread suggested that her 20 something friends wanted men on the wards.

Might I suggest that that is probably because they're madly in love and have never given birth yet.

Is post natal care like this elsewhere in the developed world?

No.

I guessed not.

Most patients do not want to share accommodation even with patients of the other sex. I know you personally find this odd and hard to believe, but it is nevertheless true, and that’s why the NHS is generally single-sex wards as standard now.*

What is the actual reason for this? I had always suspected it was the older generations conservative viewpoint that was the driving factor.

Weetabix. That is an issue of poor post natal care. And the reason it's an issue is because hospitals are relying on partners to provide that care. You relying on your partner to do that is directly impacting on the woman who doesn't have a partner to take her down there.
No it isn't. If you read my other posts you'll see that this was 25 years ago and men weren't allowed to stay. I was on my own but would have benefitted hugely from my husband being with me. I could have seen my baby whenever I wanted to as I could have done had i not been too ill to get there under my own steam. Instead, I had to sit on the ward surrounded by all the new mums with their babies but so long as they were happy heh?

Oh those pesky old fogies.

Might I suggest that that is probably because they're madly in love and have never given birth yet

I've given birth twice and I would still want my partner there overnight if I had another. So have the other women on this thread who would like their partner there. I'm guessing it's because they would feel more comfortable with them there for support.

@costner that was me, a woman, sat with my newborn child. It’s actually because we are all aware how shit the funding is for nhs and know we won’t be cared for appropriately due to insufficient funds and poor staffing. I clarified what I meant further in thread (29) with the vagina comment. Perhaps I did not articulate my point well the first time. I’m not going to explain again.

No longer going to engage as the debate has turned into a slanging match. Thank you for the debate those of you the opposing side. I’ve found some of the comments challenging and thought provoking.

Either way, hope you all have positive postnatal care, should you find yourselves there.

Buggered if I’m not going to keep on fighting for women only spaces for all women when they need them the most.

How about fighting for all women to get the care and support that they need, including support in labour if they happen to have the misfortune to labour on an ante natal ward, rather than focusing on just keeping the men out?

What's the actual reason for this? She asks in her faux wide-eyed innocence.
Er, dignity and safety. I know it's hard for you to pretendnotto get your head around.

And I would like my partner there but i believe on balance it's not fair on everyone else.

What is the actual reason for this? I had always suspected it was the older generations conservative viewpoint that was the driving factor.

Probably many of the same reasons outlined at length and repeatedly in the thread above.

Also I’ve provided care to ‘the older generation’ (aged 80+), and I have to say, when women in particular didn’t want to be vulnerable around men in particular, it was far less due to old-fashioned attitudes and more due to feeling genuinely scared after various experiences they’d had over their lifetimes.

Blanche nothing faux about it, I just don't see every man as a potential rapist or aerial killer.

I’m saying it’s amazing how happy some women are when multiples hands have been up their vagina but they’re get pissy at partners in the ward who are sat behind a curtain supporting their partner and new baby because a ‘man is in my space’

Fucking hell. I’ve read some absolute crass rubbish on here but this takes the absolute biscuit. Absolutely moronic.