Breaking news: May facing leadership challenge today.

[KitKat1985]

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It's all such a mess. I'm not a fan of Teresa May particularly, but I do think anyone would have struggled to make a success of Brexit after the referendum, so not entirely sure what replacing May will achieve. And also who on earth would replace her if the challenge is successful?

FGS, May says that Labour will cause division in our country. Hasn't that horse well and truly bolted?!

What are WTO terms? Do you even know what you are talking about? Do you have any qualifications or is it just a phrase you picked up somewhere?!

How exactly will we achieve that? Because if we leave on that we will be at the bottom of the pile, a bit like being relegated to 3rd division in football terms.

Do tell us more if you know better.

It would be feasible if we left CU to join Trans-Pacific Partnership Free Trade Agreement and trade with Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, New Zealand, Singapore and Vietnam.

WTO has next to no rules about trading services. 60% of our econony is services, which rely on EU agreements to function. Paris, Frankfurt and Dublin already benefiting from multinationals moving their EU operations out of the UK in order to keep trading under EU rules. The next biggest is fresh goods - no good trying to trade much wider than the EU on those- and the next is technology- "next best country" rules will mean the US, Canada and China will steamroller us. Most of our fresh fish is sold into the EU (nearly 70%) so, getting rights to our fishing waters will do no good to UK fisherman if they lost most of their market as a result. 80% of our cars are sold into the EU. It's crap. Well be desperate for deals and will have to capitulate and agree to anything. This means the people of Britain will suffer. Their rights will suffer, their jobs will suffer, their wages will suffer, their food quality will suffer. Our border will move back to Dover, we'll lost membership of EU immigration control and our already overworked customs and immigration will be inundated. Illegal immigration will boom, whilst toughening up of visa rules will stop the very people we want to be here. It's a farce.

Also we need to be able to employ more nurses/carers from outside Europe as EU workers chose to work in London and other large cities in the UK and avoid the more deprived less popular areas.

And why would non EU carers/nurses prefer to live in the deprived area?

if there were riots imagine after loosing 50% of uniformed officers how hard they would be to control & it would break the police.

Then the pm would only 4 options:-

1. Let the riots burn them selves out. (and then hope for the best)
2. Send in the uk military. (then we become a dicatorship)
3. Ask the eu for police/military help. (with huge strings attached)
4. Ask trump for his uk based military help. (with huge strings attached)

I’m so tired with people parroting Brexit catch phrases without having a little think.

This is how we ended up in this mess.

And why would non EU carers/nurses prefer to live in the deprived area?

The underlying assumption is that non EU nurses and carers are easier to exploit.

I’m so tired with people parroting Brexit catch phrases without having a little think.

I think you should maybe read this, it might help with future arguments.

georgehoare.net/2018/12/10/the-left-against-the-people/

I don't think she will lose the vote this evening. Today will just have been another waste of time, energy and money.

And why would non EU carers/nurses prefer to live in the deprived area?

Perhaps for the same reason I worked in Saudi Arabia for 2 years.
As a nurse I could earn a lot more than I could in the UK.
It wasn't a particularly pleasant experience, frustrating and sometimes downright scary, but worth it to me because I was able to save enough to buy a house. I'd never have managed to get on the property ladder otherwise.

I’ve read enough, thank you very much.

I suspect it’s the people who keep trotting out “sovereinity’, ‘let’s just leave on WTO terms, and ‘ short term pain for long term gain’ might benefit from a little reading. If they manage, that is.

WTO negotiate the rules of international trade. There are currently 164 countries who are members and, if they don't have free trade agreements with each other, they trade under "WTO rules".We already trade on WTO terms with many countries who we do not have a trade agreement with. For example at the moment we trade with the US on WTO terms as we do not have free trade agreement with US due to being in EU. It is nothing scary. We could continue trading with EU on WYO terms but they would not be as good terms as we get now because we will also have option of joining other free trade associations we would get good terms with except they do not bind us as EU does.

The underlying assumption is that non EU nurses and carers are easier to exploit.

This may be your assumption. Certainly isn't mine. See my PP about working in Saudi Arabia. I didn't feel exploited because I was able to earn a lot more than I could in the UK.

Theresa May is so much better in the House of Commons - fiery, feisty, quick thinking, firing back responses, no script.

Why then does she insist on doing these scripted, rehearsed, repetitive TV appearances, reading off a script, never answering a straight question, reiterating the same point, using the same stock phrases over and over, never making eye contact - just abysmal.

It's like two different people.

If anyone is advising her, they should tell her to sack the speech writers, tear up the script, put down the notes, look the interviewer in the eye and answer the fucking questions in the same way she does in Parliament.

She's perfectly capable of doing so - in fact she comes across as a right scrapper who can more than hold her own. Yet her TV persona is one of a weak, doddery individual who can just about manage to read from her script.

My fear isn't Brexit and I do think TM will survive tonight. Its the thought of a GE and Labour getting in that makes my blood run cold.

JC who is just a back bench protester, Diane Abbott (words fail me as Home Secretary) and John M who wants to nationalise and bring everything into state hands.

I didn't feel exploited because I was able to earn a lot more than I could in the UK.

You are speaking as an invidual. The issue with the NHS is that its entire business model is now predicated on exploitation of other countries’ skilled labour being used as a way to avoid paying for training of our own citizens.

Sunglasses - so the thing that makes your blood run cold is a Labour govt? Try looking around and seeing the utter chaos that has ensued whilst we have had a Tory govt.

Meanwhile the really important issues such as irreversible climate change, and the poverty and suffering caused by universal credit are ignored.

scripted, rehearsed, repetitive TV appearances

The old Yes, PM line "Have something to say and then say it, regardless of the question".

Its the thought of a GE and Labour getting in that makes my blood run cold.

But why? The mess the Tories have created isn’t going to be cleaned up any other way.

"The issue with the NHS is that its entire business model is now predicated on exploitation of other countries’ skilled labour being used as a way to avoid paying for training of our own citizens."
That's not a "now" thing. My mum came here in 1950s to work in an NHS that couldn't be staffed up by UK people.

I really want her to go. She's made such a mess of things, we now need someone to take over and give some leadership. I'm sure we're the laughing stock of the world.

Theresa May is so much better in the House of Commons - fiery, feisty, quick thinking, firing back responses, no script. I agree.

It’s a lot worse than it was, Bellini, and the big difference in the 1950s and 1960s was that there weren’t enough British people wanting to train as nurses etc because there was full employment.

I'm sure we're the laughing stock of the world.

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