Is there anybody here who voted 'leave' who now regrets it?

[Applepudding2018]

Just wondering.

I'm generally not a very political person but seeing the total mess which seems to have been created by the government following through on the vote to leave the EU.

I think that the sane thing is to say 'OK we made a mistake, please can we stay in the EU.

I guess they won't because it's following through on the vote.

I know a lot of people are saying there should be a second vote, but I think these are people who voted to remain in the first place.

I was wondering if there would be any backing for a second referendum (or simply a let's forget brexit) from anyone who originally voted to leave. Maybe it's not delivering as you expected? Do you think that the pro-brexit politicians misrepresented things to you and you'd vote differently if you had a second chance?

(PS name change if you're embarrassed !)

and for a moment i thought you were calling me "my brother"!!

The kind of business that needs to have an EU citizen owning it.

Comically he now works in a third country where he could pay a couple of hundred quid for a work visa because that country has a bilateral relationship with the EU. His wife, who is also British but doesn't also have EU citizenship had to pay thousands. Because when the work visa ends in a year, Britain will no longer be in the EU and has to put up with third country status.

@themoomoo

Another business I visited just after the vote has gone, moved to Europe, employees redundant. This was couple of months after the vote, move was already planned by the time I visited, they've gone now, direct result of Leave vote, no plans to move before this. They made this specialist insulation bead stuff that was used inside building materials. Raw materials imported from the EU, processed in the UK and most of it exported back to the EU. Don't know where in the EU they went.

A colleague of my DP has lost her job in Germany because they won't recruit British people as they are concerned about the long term employment prospects on certain projects.

I have another friend who works in medical research - his job will be going. Not happened yet so that is ok based on your reasoning.

I will be fine but that isn't enough for me. My DP will be ok and my kids will, in all probability be ok too. However, I'm worried about friends and relatives. I worried about people I don't know who will suffer hardship and lose jobs and opportunities.

Ford - Southampton - Turkey - EU

mousse well the German business sound like twats

Twats maybe. You asked if people had been affected. People have been significantly negatively affected. More people will suffer hardship as a result of your vote.

You can call the companies involved as many names as you want but the point remains people have lost and will continue to lose jobs.

And people have always lost jobs. there will be a shift.
Unemployment now is at the lowest level since 1975.
We joined the eec in 1973.

You asked if Brexit had effected people. It has - negatively.

Unemployment is low but for what kind of job. Is my DP's colleague, who is a highly trained engineer, going to get a job on a zero hours contract asking if you want fries with that?

Is Brexit affecting people negatively?
Answer = yes
Oh but that doesn't matter.

@themoomoo DH's business has been badly hit by the fall in Sterling. He exports raw materials from china mainly and some from Europe. Where he can get uk suppliers he often does but not always available or competitive. So business has been harder. He is miserable. He works harder and harder to make less money.

I work in finance advising companies. I constantly hear how Brexit affects them adversely. Many clients say 'we wont exist after brexit if we cant trade as before'. I have advised businesses who are restructuring to leave the UK for business continuity reasons. Other clients are stockpiling certain raw materials to try and last out longer. You wont see everything go wrong overnight. We will turn around in a decade an survey a less prosperous nation. Businesses dont want the UK as a European hub any more.

My boss is dutch, lived here 25 years, his wife and children are scottish, brexit is bad for him. I guess you dont care about him. Hes not British. What about his wife and children? Do you care about them?

@themoomoo, I worked for a consultancy. I'd better not say which industry it catered for as it's probably outing.

The uncertainty caused by the referendum led companies in the sector to cut back on management consulting, new technology, training etc. We weren't losing projects to rival companies; the projects themselves just weren't going ahead. This industry is one we all use, and it's struggling.

mousse yeah, fuck them burger flippers eh. The fact there are more low paid jobs now isn't important is it. uneducated oiks wanting a job. Tsk.

I think it was always axiomatic that leaving the EU would put a strain on companies that trade directly with EU countries or rely on EU parts etc. It was always the dark side of voting leave and there is no way round it other than to hope that the negotiations result in a good trading agreement with the EU. Jobs will be lost, but then, jobs were lost while we were members too. There were downsides as well as good sides to EU law in the UK. It's good to recognise that also.

Do you know what this doom mongering reminds me of? - Y2K disaster predictions - the world was going to end, planes fall from the sky, no clean water, we all stock piled food - and what happened? Nothing.

I have a deep suspicion of how the politicians are handling this. We need leave politicians planning post Brexit strategies and handling negotiations. They have a vested interest in making it work.

If it all works out then remainers will look very foolish so why would they be doing their best to make it as smooth as possible? It makes them look right if this appears to be fraught with difficulty and they get the public to demand an about turn.

Supply chains are so complicated, I'd like to know Who ISN'T reliant on EU for imports or exported parts. Those wild families that live in self-built houses in the woods, maybe?

If you own a car...
If you have own a house...
If you work in an office...
If you eat a varied diet...
If you take regular medication..
If you are undergoing radiotherapy...
If you work in agriculture... you're reliant on EU imports or exports.

@themoomoo

mousse yeah, fuck them burger flippers eh. The fact there are more low paid jobs now isn't important is it. uneducated oiks wanting a job.

Well done you totally avoided the point. Well several points in fact.

You asked if people were being effected. I gave several examples of how Brexit was negatively impacting on people. So did several other posters. You ignored that.

The specific example I gave was of someone losing a highly paid, skilled job. You pointed out that other jobs were available. Yes there are jobs available but we are not going to be able to provide high level jobs in the U.K. because they will move to Germany. A negative impact of Brexit.

As for people with 'Mcjobs' I am very concerned about them. Read my posts. Brexit will result in a bonfire of regulations which will screw over many, but the working poor in particular. The TUC has campaigned against Brexit as it will disproportionately impact on workers.

lljkk

See, my view is that if the picture is as you are portraying - that there is absolutely no way that this can ever work, that we cannot overcome these difficulties and that the UK is about to descend into the dark ages - then what the hell was government thinking when they gave us the referendum?

Unless they knew that these issues could be overcome they never ever should have held the referendum. The fact that they did suggests to me that either choice was plausible and that problems are not insurmountable.

Nope no regrets

@Weetabixandshreddies

Millennium bug BREXIT BINGO!

As has been said innumerable times - do you read these threads or just post?
The millennium bug was real it was avoided by hard work and planning.

Planning that has not happened in relation to Brexit.

More like what the hell were they thinking when they signed these treaties in the first place. Irreversible political union without the backing of the majority of the country that are subject to it?

It's repeat myself day on MN.

All the treaties were negotiated, debated and voted on by our sovereign parliament. That actually is how democracy works.

The referendum happened because D.C. is a twat. He did it for reasons relating to the internal politics of the Tory party.

Now if anyone wants to know the result of 2+2 or the colour of grass I'm on a roll explaining the bleedin' obvious.

Actually I think there ways Brexit can be ok (I can't imagine Brexit=great, but I can imagine ok). Those paths all involve careful long slow planning & staying in SM until the various challenges are worked thru, maybe one by one. For instance, investing a lot of money in the technology that would make MaxFac possible. That needs years of development before it could go live, but after that could be flogged all over the world.

I always said something that looked like Norway but with Norn in SM would be tolerable & was the obvious position to aim for as starting point (Norn in SM could work if Labour voted with govt).

I don't see any value in finding someone to villify, tbh. Although apparently being 'angry' is the winning strategy for Leave, I refuse to descend to that.

Back to who is & isn't reliant on trade with EU:
Fisheries.
Honest, our fisherpeople sell large % of their catch to EU; desperately important. They badly NEED that market, to sell fish British don't want to eat, for a decent price.
Oh... and our fisher-people like to fish in non-British but yes-EU waters too.

Although apparently being 'angry' is the winning strategy for Leave, I refuse to descend to that.

Actually it's the remainers on here that are being angry, belligerent and argumentative and resorting to name calling.