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Being called mum

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sizzledrizz · 07/12/2018 23:32

I am often called this by those who work with my children: teachers, doctors, clinic staff etc.
I can understand if they are not familiar with my child and don't know dc's name, but it irks me when they could at least call me Mrs DC surname. I sometimes tell them my name, but they still insist on calling me mum.
The final nail has been that when my DC's father goes to collect them from school, a lot less than me, no teacher ever calls him 'dad'
Why is that?
Pisses me off

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Karensbadger · 09/12/2018 20:44

itmustbemum.wordpress.com/2017/03/26/im-not-mum/

Karensbadger · 09/12/2018 20:46

“I’m not “mum”

“You must be mum.”

Four words that put you nicely in a box and out of the way, even when you are present in a meeting. That introduction says so much – you know you are simply there to be tolerated, to tick off a requirement and that you are expected to sit in the box marked ‘mum’ and ‘behave’.

For a disclaimer, please the last paragraph, but in the meantime, how do you respond? “I am Peters’s mum, My name is Phillipa – and you are?” is the one I used last time around.

I don’t know any parent that doesn’t hate this approach at times. It can feel dehumanising and I think it sometimes serves a powerful purpose for the rest of the people in the room. It can be used to state very clearly the hierarchy of those present. Everyone else is a human, a person with a name and everything….. They have a profession, an identity as an individual and a role outside of the home. You don’t. You are ‘mum’ and if you are anything else as well, then that could be a problem so they may make sure you are just the generic ‘mum’.

I have been to many meetings in school that were called with a purpose of putting me in a box, nailing the lid shut and taping over any ventilation holes. Meetings that were allegedly to ‘chat about my concerns,’ but that in reality were designed as an ambush, with as many as 7 education staff drafted in from school and ‘County’ who were available ‘at the last minute’ to make me stop telling them all about Peter’s difficulties.

I was incredibly naive and the penny didn’t drop until Peter was in a mental health hospital with apparent symptoms of ‘school related trauma’ at age 9. Until then I resolutely believed that they wanted to understand, but just couldn’t…

After Peter’s admission, the really big meetings started. Peter had had no additional support in school until now, but now he was in hospital a long way from home, and the Consultant Team had said that he needed a specialist residential school and couldn’t be discharged home until one was found…. implied and implicit, of course, is ‘until one is funded‘.

Oh dear, maybe they should have listened before, you know, when ‘mum’ was trying to explain the problems. Anyway, I digress.

So back to the big meetings. I learned that they were done twice, firstly, one with all the professionals would be held, and then they would be held again, with all the same people, but with the rehearsed ‘party line’ to be shared with ‘mum’. Exhausted and in a state of disbelief I rocked up at the Local Authority (LA) offices for my first experience of one of these. I was on my own, as usual, and faced professionals from health (1 helpful person), social care (3 people) and education (4 people). The clinical psychologist and I were having a conversation when the others arrived and settled themselves – and this was when the penny dropped…. those from social care and education thought I was a colleague – I looked like one of them and they assumed I was.

I saw the shock on their faces when they realised I was ‘mum’ and THEN I realised. All the time that we are put in a box marked ‘not one of us’ they are immune to any fear that one day it might happen to them. Written all over their faces, if you look closely, is “It can’t happen to me because ‘those mums are different’.”

I had come to this meeting at the LA offices dressed as I would have done for any big meeting at work. Not ‘interview smart’ you understand, but ‘board meeting smart’. And I looked like I could be one of them. The look on their faces as they realised that someone like them was ‘mum’ was priceless. Yes, people, it could happen to you, your children, your family members, too.

At this meeting, the way I dressed was an accident. I only dressed that way to help me to feel confident and assertive. From then on I did it on purpose and enjoyed the fallout. My favourite was at another LA run meeting…

At this one there were some Heavy Duty LA staff there to persuade me that Peter didn’t really need what the hospital team said he did. There was also the clinical psychologist, the outreach mental health nurse, and an outreach mental health support worker. The latter was fabulous and was dressed for her job – which was to quickly build rapport with distressed young people. She wore a denim jacket, had blue nail polish and a very casual friendly look. She looked different to everyone else who was dressed more formally (especially me!!). We all sat down, the LA boss looked the support worker straight in the face and said: “You must be ‘mum'”.

I would pay a lot of money for the CCTV of that moment. Overall it is a meeting that I remember and giggle. The LA manager spouted “We have many children with the profile of Peter in day school” “Really” I replied, “Then there will be lots who have required admission to a Tier 4 inpatient unit age 9.” And then I went around the room and asked each one to tell me, in their entire career, how many children they had cared for that required this level of support……. As you can imagine there weren’t many. I have a hunch that the CAMHS professionals in the room quite enjoyed this part of the meeting. Later the Social Worker was insisting (because of her manager) that I should have support from an Early Help professional that knew nothing about ASD and I replied “It’s like swapping the psychiatrist for a dermatologist” I said, “I have nothing against dermatologists but we don’t need one”. The nurses later told me they had to force themselves to write some notes to stop themselves from laughing at the look on the SEN Manager’s face…

So here is the disclaimer. Firstly, in a medical emergency ‘mum’ is just fine. Secondly, I recognise that not everyone that has fallen into the habit of using the shortcut ‘mum’ from ‘Peter’s mum’ uses it to wield control, but please can you just say “You must be Peter’s mum” and even better, add “sorry I can’t recall your name”….

To the remainder, please remember that one day our roles may be reversed. Rest assured that I will never treat you the way you have treated me, I couldn’t, but others might. The organisational culture that you are fostering and enabling now will still be there unless to start to make changes.”

honestlynotagain · 09/12/2018 20:51

@ohtheroses that's a bit of a leap.
A simple correction would fix the issue. Or ignore it. If you are a mother it's just another title that you are known by- why be offended by it?
Some names are difficult to pronounce. I'm not sure why you're bringing racism into it.

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MamaDane · 09/12/2018 20:59

@Karensbadger I enjoyed reading that, honestly.

Rumboogie · 09/12/2018 23:00

OhTheRoses -Are you me? I could not put any of it better! I was astonished to be called 'Mum' to my face many years ago during a medical consultation for my DC. When mentioning it to a paediatrician colleague I was told, 'Oh we always do that' - no reason given. IMO it is unforgivably lazy and rude especially when your name is there clearly in the notes.
To all you teachers who apparently cannot be bothered either to remember or to ask a parent's name - I do not share a surname with my DC and yet no teacher or other staff member at any of their schools has ever addressed me as anything other than Dr Rumboogie.

Also, just as an aside:

also think there is an element of sexism when at the hospital all men are called as Mr Surname and all women as First name, last name

In an interview many years ago I was asked why my name appeared on my published papers as 'Initial. Rumboogie' not 'First Name Rumboogie'. The (male) interviewer proceeded to tell me that my full name should appear so everyone would know I was a woman!

ittakes2 · 10/12/2018 00:02

Sorry I think you are being hard work. What's important is if they are doing a good job of teaching and nurturing your child. Its not about you.

Snugglepumpkin · 10/12/2018 01:53

I don't care if you get my surname wrong, I don't care if you use Miss Ms or Mrs Pumpkin.
I'm happy with Madam, Miss, Ma'am (not Mrs without a surname though, that's a bit weird) or even you/her/whatever female term is appropriate.
I don't even really expect you to use a name for me most of the time, just say what you have to say & get on with it.

I care about the fact that if I go to a meeting as a single woman, somehow the HCP or whoever it is, who sees an equally endless stream of clients, bothers to learn my name, but ANYONE who deigns to work with children views themselves as far too important to bother learning my name whilst having a conversation with me & I'm somehow supposed to respect them for being so rude.
Being called Miss or Sir is a term of respect.

None of these people referred to me as a label such as FEMALE or WOMAN before I had a child, they managed to find my name or just talk without using it.
They don't go through the rest of their lives treating everyone else that way, it's only mothers who are dehumanised & patronised this way.
Giving birth did not take away my ability to be a person in my own right.

OkPedro · 10/12/2018 02:12

My dc's school principal knows every one of the children's names in the school.. all 250 of them. It baffles me how she does it!

idea888 · 10/12/2018 08:38

Haven't read the whole thread, but sometimes when this happens I think it can be a way of trying to put a child at ease in an unfamiliar situation e.g. at hospital appointments by acknowledging the family relationships and that the mum is staying with the child. I quite like that, as it takes account of the child's needs. But I'm less keen on being referred to as 'mum' by people who know my child, just a shorthand for "I don't know your name but I'm talking to you in your capacity as X's mother". I don't find it offensive, just would prefer it if I was addressed by my name.

ghostsandghoulies · 10/12/2018 08:40

I think that they use mum as they don't want to seem old-fashioned and assume you aren't double-barrelled, kept your maiden name or married.

Braneycat · 10/12/2018 08:48

I get more annoyed when I'm called by my partners surname. Its irrational though because it's my kids surname, everyone assumes we're married when we're not and I've given up correcting people. I don't mind being called mum, it's never really occurred to me to be annoyed about it.

HappydaysArehere · 10/12/2018 08:48

There are lots of women who would love to have a chance to be called mum. Can’t understand why anyone would be annoyed by it in the situations you mention.

idea888 · 10/12/2018 08:51

Okpedro I've known teachers who study the children's photos over the summer so they can put names to faces right away in September - maybe your principal does this? It's impressive to remember 250.

JudasPrudy · 10/12/2018 08:51

Can't say I have noticed Dad not being called Dad Confused we are mum and dad to our child, why would I insist a medical or teaching professional waste time trying to remember our names when they have more important things to do like looking after my child, who is the only person who really matters in a situation where you are discussing their health/education.

Kemer2018 · 10/12/2018 08:52

That did irritate me when dd was little.
It's like you're stripped of any identity other than so and sos mum.
But i got over it in time 😁

OhTheRoses · 10/12/2018 08:56

Nobody is indisting they waste time, merely at the very least that they say "Mary's mum" which is correct rather than just "mum". Also, if the professional I'm dealing with is referred by all around them by name it isn't unreasonable for the same courtesy to be extended. Especially when I have introduced myself.

Often too in these situations opinions, professional ones are being formed in relation to the family make-up and are often taken into account and recorded in reports and letters.

roundaboutthetown · 10/12/2018 09:02

It depends on the context, really, doesn't it? A bit odd to call you mum when the child isn't even present, or at a pre-arranged meeting (although if the child is present and it's really a meeting about and for the child - ie child focused, not adult focused - it can sometimes help the child to call the parents what the child calls them, so the child knows they are not being excluded and talked over by adults, but are supposed to be privy to the conversation) but if, eg, you come up to the teacher at pick up time and start talking to them, I don't think they should be expected to call you anything other than [child's name's] mum. How are they supposed to remember everyone's name when on the spot like that? They wouldn't be willing to talk to you if they didn't think you had parental responsibility, after all, so it's your "mum" status that is all important, not your actual name. Tbh, it comes across as rather self-important not to want to be identified as the parent when the focus of your conversation is your child.

MissDollyMix · 10/12/2018 09:52

In my opinion there's only 2 people in the world who are allowed to call me Mum (or Mummy). My DC. It's a special bond between us. I don't mind being referred to as 'X's Mum' or 'Your Mum' though, that's just an accurate description but never just 'Mum'.

Thesnobbymiddleclassone · 10/12/2018 10:13

It never bothered me with DDs nursery as there are just so many parents to remember.

What I hate is that Dh's mum does it! Since DD was born 5 years ago, she address us as mummy and daddy constantly even when DD isn't in the room.

She never says "Snobby would you like a coffee" it's always "mummy do you want a coffee" as if she is addressing her own mum.

DuploRelatedInjury · 10/12/2018 10:20

The school I work in has had complaints from parents being called Mrs Childsurname when they had a different name from their child. The safest route is to go along the lines of X's mum/dad etc - unless it's a pre-arranged meeting or call, they can't quickly look it up and check, and it's not really reasonable to expect them to remember the names of each parent of all 30 children in their class.

YesitsJacqueline · 10/12/2018 10:23

I actually like it ! Maybe because I never thought I'd ever be a mum , I feel quite proud. That's probably a bit silly I know!
I can see both sides, but i think there are worse things and they probably don't mean to be rude.

notacooldad · 10/12/2018 10:33

Its nothing new. Professionals were doing this 22 years ago when DS was born- so probably for a lit longer than that. it was both though. Mum and dad that were addressed in that way though.
It's also done in CIN meetings , family group conferences etc although not necessary by the SW or people closely involved with the family but by clinical psychologist, doctors and others that have a bit of professional distance from the family.

ArchbishopOfBanterbury · 10/12/2018 10:45

Talking to the child - "your mum".
Talking about me - "John's mum"
Talking to me - don't use anything, or ask my bloody name if you don't know it.

Hoolahoophop · 10/12/2018 11:02

It doesn't bother me, ive heard both myself and my Dh referred to as Mum and Dad so I don't think its a female male thing here. I have also noticed that when I barely saw Health Professionals with my first I was always Mum, when my second needed a lot more support I became Hoola, and that the Parents I see often at nursery supporting events, chatting to the staff, getting involved are always referred to by their first names. Those who are unable to get so involved, when you see them are often heard to be referred to as Mum and Dad. So I assume that a default is used until the staff learn names. So long as they know who I am and what my children are called I'm happy.

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