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to tell my friend to sod off with her helpful husband!

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QwertyLou · 23/11/2018 03:08

Thanks for the amazing advice before & this is my last question on this party I promise (its on Sunday so it better be)!!

My son (nearly 4) is going through an arty-crafty stage. He loves painting more than anything. So I wasn't surprised when he announced he wanted to do painting "with my friends for my WHOLE party!"

So we're doing some painting at his party (15 mins or so), along with lots of other fun things. Just little plaster rockets and spaceships, one for each child to paint and they take it home.

When I mentioned this to a friend she made a horrified face... "Painting... for boys??" And recommended I scrap it for a football session, perhaps with the man from her son's party.

I hadn't even realised that painting was considered "un-manly" and boys were not supposed to enjoy it... is that a thing?

My son enjoyed the football session, but not enough to want the same thing. Plus it was an hour-long session - I'd have to scrap half the party! Which I explained to my friend.

Unbeknownst to me she gave my no. to Football Man who contacted me, so I explained myself again and thought that was it. But no.

Yesterday my friend announced that she has kindly lined up her husband ("John") to do a football activity "in parallel" with the painting. So her son and other boys can do football while anyone else is painting.

I said that of course John, would be welcome to play football with their son during the painting if they want. No child, boy or girl, will be compelled to paint a plaster rocket against their will! We'll be in the back garden with plenty of things to do.

But I really do not want John to announce an official "Come on kids line up over here!!" activity just as the painting is starting. The whole idea is to bring everyone (or most people) together for a quieter activity they can enjoy as a group - then we'll have the cake.

And my son is really excited about painting with his friends. I keep finding him in the kitchen, gazing longingly up at all the paint stuff. If they all race off to play football, it will defeat the whole purpose [delete](plus I'll be left with a mountain of plaster rockets)[delete].

I explained all this to my friend but she was having none of it.

She said John was more than happy to do it, it would be fun, it was important to let "boys be boys" and she knows it must be hard for me as a single mum to cater for boys, hence her lining up John.

We were both getting our sons into the car after nursery and she drove off after that.

So as it stands, John is "kindly" doing this official activity on Sunday.

I don't want him to, but what do I say to make that clear without offending anyone?

Part of me feels a bit ungrateful too. We single mothers of boys are constantly berated by society to ensure our sons have good male role models (GMRM) or they will turn into anti-social, drug-taking juvenile delinquents.

And lo and behold, here one is - a GMRM - volunteering something!
And am I gratefully accepting? No, I am saying no (trying to)!

OP posts:
Freemind · 24/11/2018 16:33

For what is is worth, my brother used to love making and painting models of planes and stuff, my son loved painting Warhammer type models and I ran a very popular after school club for that king of game and the most popular sessions were the painting ones! It was a club that involved the greatest range of ages in the school. Loads of boys came to them over the years, but only very few girls.... It combined some creativity, coordination and concentration - even if just for a short time! Your rocket painting sounds like a brilliant, well-planned and engaging activity!

AngryAttackKittens · 24/11/2018 16:35

I'm so glad you're not allowing this pair of pushy nutters to ruin your son's party! John needs therapy. Your 4 year old child is not qualified to provide it, and is no doubt rather busy being 4. 5 year olds don't need their eyebrows shaped, so that's another party that was held for the benefit of the adults and not the child.

I'd get rid, honestly, after that last set of texts. It's probably going to escalate from here, given how well she took your first attempt to draw some boundaries, and Ben will be much happier without having to watch his mum fend off some nutter who keeps trying to force sporting equipment into his completely uninterested hands. What if John's next bright idea is that he needs to learn how to box?

Daisymay2 · 24/11/2018 16:45

Make sure a football does not get smuggled in. Is there someone who can stand at the door and suggest John or Sam put it back in the car for safe-keeping?

Wauden · 24/11/2018 16:46

Why is John so very keen on playing football with little boys?

Daisymay2 · 24/11/2018 16:50

PS My 22 year old kayaker (loves the rapids ) and men's hockey player ( hates football) has his paints at Uni with him. Finds painting a great relaxant.
Let "friend" know

Bubblysqueak · 24/11/2018 16:53

She is being a dick. My Ds went to a craft party last weekend and absolutely loved it. The majority of the party was a foam sticking activity followed by pass the parcel and musical bumps then home. There was no time for anything else as the children didn't want to stop the craft activity.

MrsBartlettforthewin · 24/11/2018 16:59

I bet you any money John doesn't have a clue this is even happening and the CF is just spouting all this as you have stood up to her ridiculousness.

My DS would love what you have planned.

pictish · 24/11/2018 17:03

Oh my goodness she really is an utter prick isn’t she? I’d be seething at that last message...I’m very impressed with your poise in not firing off a salty as fuck text in response. Well done.

I think you need to talk to her in person about this. It’s not for her to decide what your son needs based on her husband’s childhood. She has overstepped the mark and requires a talking to.

EllenRipley · 24/11/2018 17:05

Bloody hell OP, I've just read the entire thread with my jaw hitting the floor at the arrogance of this woman! She's a massive dick, words fail. Don't make her personality problems your issue. Enjoy what will be a totally lovely, thoughtful celebration of your son's birthday and if she turns up, stand tall. You've been grateful, you've been polite and she deserves no further consideration.

I'm actually sitting here fuming on your behalf! 😡

picklemepopcorn · 24/11/2018 17:10

Dear friend,
Ben's so looking forward to seeing Lucy and Ben tomorrow! He can't wait!

TinklyLittleLaugh · 24/11/2018 17:16

My DH has helped run the village Boys Brigade for 12 years (no girls allowed). They do football, swimming, hiking, den making, kite flying and climbing.

They also do arts and crafts, baking and gardening. Last week they had a lovely chill half hour making Christmas tree decorations and a lovely half hour going crazy playing dodgeball. Both activities were equally popular.

Gileswithachainsaw · 24/11/2018 17:18

I'm Shock at what I've just read.

How on earth are you the one in the wrong for not wanting to somehow correct a grown man's childhood at your kids birthday party Confused

I really hope they stay away and let your ds get on with painting his rocket with his friends Smile

captainpantbeard · 24/11/2018 17:36

I would reply short and sweet:

“You’ve misunderstood. The party has been planned. I don’t want to change it. It isn’t about John - of course he is welcome”

Chocolateheaven123 · 24/11/2018 17:39

They sound like a pair of absolute knobs!! I'd seriously be questioning my friendship with this woman after this.

Your son's party sounds ace -- I truly hope he has a blast! Keep us updated about the party tomorrow :)

Polidori · 24/11/2018 17:40

Sounds like a great party. When I was a lad I'd have loved a party that was all about space and rockets, including painting them. I'd have hated a party that was all about footie. I've certainly never come across this idea that art isn't for boys. Having said that, even if that was a thing, it should be ignored anyway. Obviously such gender stereotyping is bollocks. If Ben wanted My Little Pony and hair plaiting at his party, that's his choice. Your friend is being not only a massive twat, but also very weird. She's made it all about her and John. If she starts going on about it during the party, tell her to leave.

Fromage · 24/11/2018 17:45

Oh this is some very weird sexist control freakery and projecting from friend and husband.

Does John not realise he is not your son, that your son could have feelings very different from John's, and that no amount of barging in to other people's children's parties and being a dadhero, is going to change John's upbringing?

Dear John, get over it.

Meanwhile I think picklemepopcorn's reply is great - short, sweet and cheerful. But no matter how/if you reply, be prepared for a no show tomorrow. You might even get a text that Lucy and Sam are unwell with one of those very common 3 hour bugs. Hmm

Hope the party goes well and your ds has a great time!

Maelstrop · 24/11/2018 18:00

Man, she's been a real nasty bitch there! Totally unnecessary and her husband doesn't get to make himself feel better by playing football at your son's party when he wants to PAINT! Bright and breezy tomorrow, but keep an eye on here, especially if she tries to drag her DC away to play football!

powershowerforanhour · 24/11/2018 18:06

Your message was perfect OP and her reply just bonkers and so rude. Also, handing your number out was really overstepping the mark. You just do not do that (although if I were you I'd be tempted to give John and Jane's numbers to a pyschotherapist to coldcall them offering badly needed services).

I hope Ben has a great time, the party sounds ace. Please kidnap Lucy at the end to come and live with you, poor girl.

FWIW, my husband loved drawing and painting as a child. Art was the only subject he did well in at GCSE and he's much more artistic than me and takes loads of fab arty photos of his work and hobbies....tree surgery, fixing tractors, fishing, sailing, tracking wild animals and all sorts of other outdoor stuff. Luckily art did not make his balls fall off or we wouldn't have one child with another on the way. He loves drawing with our toddler, too. Art is for everyone!

mathanxiety · 24/11/2018 18:11

Hopefully you will be ready with your best smiling bitch face and a no-nonsense 'sorry you feel that way' if/when they try any patronising or confrontation of you at the party.

I would be quite concerned about people with such obvious issues having anything to do with your son, especially given John's apparent willingness to play football with small children he doesn't know at all, or watch cricket. To echo a pp - what the heck is that all about...

It's time to cultivate new friendships for you and for your son.

CanSurvive · 24/11/2018 18:18

Fuck me isn’t she delightful. Well she isn’t your friend moving forward!

EllenCarver · 24/11/2018 18:36

She’s nuts.

Tawdrylocalbrouhaha · 24/11/2018 18:36

(although if I were you I'd be tempted to give John and Jane's numbers to a pyschotherapist to coldcall them offering badly needed services).

I beg you to do this.

timeisnotaline · 24/11/2018 18:46

I’d word up your dad / brother to join the painting activity just to make things very clear. And agree don’t reply- not worth the headspace!

Willow2017 · 24/11/2018 19:03

What a shitty reply.

Just cos 'John' missed out on football as a kid doesnt mean every kid in the land needs his 'input'.

What a cow.

I would text back

"Just to make it crystal clear. X does NOT want a football party. Its his party and HE choses, nobody else. I find it strange you cant seem to grasp that boys can enjoy other activities apart from football. Thats very narrow minded and i wasnt aware that you had such sexist views. Girls can enjoy football and boys can enjoy painting its really not hard to.understand.

I really do not appreciate your inference that my children are disadvantaged by being brought up by me. We are all just fine thanks my kids enjoy a wide range of activities and none of them are reliant on thier sex.
Anyway the party is going ahead as planned X will be pleased to see Y. I do think if you and J canmot get past the no football thing then its best of you just drop Y off."

I really dont think she will ever let this go tbh.
You have challenged her 'authority on parenthood' and she is pissed. I would keep.my distance.

Willow2017 · 24/11/2018 19:09

P.S. i have 2 teen boys and never had a 'football party.
Call SS!