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I think I've just been fired

433 replies

CinnamonVanilla · 17/10/2018 17:05

Boss found out that I applied for a job with our parent company. Supposed to be anonymous; but I'd have said when it was appropriate. Our HR director beat me to it; in front of a lot of people, apparently.

He took me into a room to say that it was humiliating; and means he no longer trusts me, so how do we move forward. He said my work is excellent but this is a big issue.

He's given me some time to think. Presumably he's expecting my notice this evening. I've been here just under two years so there's nothing I can do.

This has made my anxiety rocket and I don't know want to do.

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DarlingNikita · 28/11/2018 11:53

I think you should wear the cost of a lawyer, could you find one who will do a no win no fee job?

I think this too. ACAS sound useless. Ask a solicitor if it's even legal for them to advertise your job like this. Surely you can demand a settlement?

hendricksy · 28/11/2018 12:07

This is most bizarre , all of this because you applied for another job .. are you not allowed to do that these days? Shocking!!

sheldonesque · 28/11/2018 18:47

Go see your friend cinnamon The break will probably do you good.

Keep your powder dry re the info you have. See a solicitor on your return. Your HR are making a bloody great mess of this by the sounds of it - they sound just as awful as our lot.

I have waited well over 16 months for my upheld grievance to be actioned. Yet today I received 36 hours notice to respond to their proposals to significantly changing my position.

As tempted as I am to make them wait 16 months - to do so will result in a redundancy notice.

I am losing faith in my union. There seems to be some sort of collusion to delay matters in the hope it will all go away.

I am where you have been ghostly. I have turned into such a bitter person because of the bullying. I can't get into it here because it will be hugely identifying but instead of going just for my bully, I will now attempt to go for the company too. I know this will possibly cost me my job.

All I know is I can't carry on the way it is.

FelicisWolf · 02/12/2018 09:43

I honestly can't believe that this is all over you applying for another job. This is horrendous behaviour from them, surely they should be able to see how blown out of proportion it's got?! I hope you're okay OP, you shouldn't be having to go through this

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CinnamonVanilla · 02/12/2018 13:47

I went to see my friend for a few days; which was nice. Gave me a little head space.

Nothing from work since the Monday morning invite for a meeting; which I responded to within two hours.

I need to send an update on my health tomorrow, but I'll talk to ACAS lady first and see if she's made any contact. The month of conciliation ends on the 13th so it's nearly half gone and I've heard nothing yet.

I'll also try and find a solicitor tomorrow. I'm scared but I know I can't go back. They seem to know that I'm not going back too, they've slowly removed me from nearly everything and they held interviews for my role between Wednesday and Friday last week. Officially I am currently only signed off until next Thursday, as I wanted to be fair to them and go back if I could initially.

I think my psychiatrist will veto going back yet. Still, no tears yet today and I got used to being out of the house; so I'm hoping that it helped and I'm doing my best not to start checking the locks etc. Progress, so far.

I'm sorry so many people have been through this Thanks

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Alfiemoon1 · 02/12/2018 15:14

Just read the full thread gosh op you are having an awful time no advice but sending you hugs. I have just gone through something similar but as it was crappy minimum wage 16 hours a week job I chose to find another job and leave for me it was the push I needed

Dowser · 02/12/2018 15:23

I spoke to graham ward at Paul Doran law. I’m not in Ireland but he is
He really seems to know his stuff

Graham Ward
Client Relations

Paul Doran Law
Unit 14B, Building 10
Central Park
Mallusk, Co. Antrim
BT36 4FS

Tel: 028-95901688
E

Dowser · 02/12/2018 15:24

Oh heck... that might not be allowed
I should’ve pmd you
Sorry about that

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CinnamonVanilla · 02/12/2018 15:38

Thanks Dowser; I've taken a screenshot and I'll contact him tomorrow.

I so just want this to be over now.

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stayathomer · 02/12/2018 15:52

OP Flowers you sound like you got some form of respite. Take careCake

Daftapath · 02/12/2018 17:20

OP did they advertise your job as a permanent post or was it advertised to cover sick leave? If you can get hold of the advert, that would be useful for your files, I wold imagine.

I hope that you find a SHL (shit hot lawyer) to support you. I think it would be money well spent.

Good luck

WipsGlitter · 02/12/2018 20:44

I cannot believe they have advertised your job. They must be mad.

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CinnamonVanilla · 02/12/2018 22:45

To be fair, I wouldn't know about my job if the recruiter who set up my initial interview hadn't messaged me saying he was recruiting for it again and where was I working now. He attached the new job description as a "look how far you've taken this role!" Type thing.

I mentioned it to a friend and she said she was aware of a few interviews that were going on but hadn't wanted to upset me, and I checked the website after that. They weren't on our standard website yet but were on the recruitment site we use; covered in our branding. I have screenshots and downloads...

Still hurts though, if I'm honest. It wasn't a bad job before; just frustrating and dry with no real opportunities without going to the parent company, and it was convenient. Plus I had friends there!

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ghostlygal · 03/12/2018 01:46

This is daft! They've advertised your post even though you haven't even resigned/sacked yet?
Me being me, id go straight back into work! Fuck that!
Obviously it's not something you can do given how ill this has made you! Man I'm so mad at how they're treating you. None of this is fair.

Rattinghat · 03/12/2018 01:51

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HoppingPavlova · 03/12/2018 02:03

Apologies if it’s been covered so far but does the company have a policy regarding this? I’m also confused as to whether you would still be working for the same organisation if you have applied to the parent company or not?

I’m not in the UK but every company I have worked for has had a policy that you have to inform your direct manager if you apply for another position within the organisation. The manager cannot stop you from applying but you must let them know you are applying. Some companies also had restrictions in that you could only apply for another position within the organisation if you had been in your current position for over 12 months. Other companies had no time restriction. Obviously none of that could apply if you were going for jobs outside of the organisation.

Funnily, when working in government there were no such policies regarding having to inform your manager or time restrictions before applying for other roles or departments.

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CinnamonVanilla · 03/12/2018 08:47

Moves to the parent company are considered internal transfers. It's quite common within the global company; but not quite as common here.

We have an "internal guidance" PDF. It says that they'll accept applications from all countries if you meet the criteria, and these should be made directly to parent company HR. It advises keeping the application confidential due to the high number of applicants; and says it may take longer than usual to hear back.

It specifically says that local managers are informed before a job is offered to get feedback and assist with staffing; but that where required, they will contact the applicant first to allow them to tell their manager and team. I asked for that, and explained why. I didn't reach that stage anyway.

Regardless; I'd definitely tell my manager going forward. I only didn't because the process said not to; as did the woman who asked me to apply initially.

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Whisky2014 · 03/12/2018 09:18

Yep so you followed the correct process. Id be raising a grievsnce against HR AND another to your manager. You've done nothing wrong. If you didnt get the job the normal protocol is to just keep working in your urrent role. I dont know what the hell your manager is thinking.

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CinnamonVanilla · 04/12/2018 10:17

Still nothing from anyone. Left a message for my ACAS conciliator yesterday first thing, but no reply. Have left another one this morning.

Haven't heard from work since last Monday.

Getting a bit stressed about the silence; and money. I need to go get a new note from my doctor this morning; I was assessed yesterday and they don't think it's a good idea to go back yet, but I can't leave the house. I'm bolted to the floor; I just cry when I try to leave. My insomnia is back and I'm so scared for the future.

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CinnamonVanilla · 04/12/2018 11:42

They've told ACAS that they will settle; but they've rejected my proposal and offered 1 months salary. I'm not sure if they still have to pay for legal advice if I go through ACAS conciliation; and neither was the ACAS lady, but she encouraged me to go and take advice.

I think I'll counter but a bit of me just wants it over... Any thoughts?

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WeAreSailing · 04/12/2018 12:02

Personally I wouldn't settle. They are 100% in the wrong plus legal fees could amount to ££££

OliviaBenson · 04/12/2018 12:20

1month is just your statutory notice surely so it's not even an offer.

Get your sick note and deal with this when you can.

You poor thing Thanks

Auntpetunia2015 · 04/12/2018 12:23

They’ve basically sacked you for no reason and managed it horrendously and think 1 months salary will sort it. No way ..

Travis1 · 04/12/2018 12:24

No way should you settle for that. They've set you back big time and are advertising your job before you've even gone. Definitely get yourself to a solicitor

startingtolooklikemother · 04/12/2018 12:27

Not only did HR breach confidential information BUT also legally under GDPR and data protection they had no right to do this at all. You did not give consent for your data to be released to a 3rd party
You will have to style this one out, applying for another job is not illegal, however what they have done is.

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