I lied about my weight to get Mounjaro

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Just that really.

I’m part of the “I want it so that makes it ok” crowd. I certainly don’t think everyone who doesn’t want to take it is a fat, ugly, jealous cow. I’m quite glad not everyone wants to take it actually, if they did everyone would be skinny and it’d make me look less good 🤣 but generally the reasons why someone doesn’t want to take it are none of my concern and I understand the potential concern for long-term unknown side-effects. It’s a pretty new drug after all. But I totally understand people who lie to get it, especially women 40+ who might have been trying and trying to lose that stubborn couple of stone for years and cannot shift it. This drug is revolutionary, it was the stuff of fantasy only a few years ago. Of course people are going to do whatever they can to get their hands on it. Life’s too short to be unhappy with your body. I don’t think people should be blaming them, if they want someone to blame they should blame the NHS/the government for making it so easy for anyone to get. If it was such a concern that people with a bmi under 30 are taking it they’d make it much, much harder to get, they’d make it a controlled drug or something. To answer your questions:

1. Physical health 30%, physical appearance 70%. I’d have said more like 90% physical appearance if you’d asked me when I first started taking it, but since seeing for myself the huge health benefits losing 3 stone (and going from bmi 29 to 22) has had I’m very glad I lost the weight for this reason too. I’ve got so much more energy, I play sports and my performance has improved dramatically, my endurance is through the roof. I don’t get sweaty just walking around in hot weather anymore, no more chub rub and just physically so much more comfortable in my body, my high cholesterol’s gone way down and I’m sure my organs are healthier with less fat around them. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to lose weight for appearance reasons alone. I want to look good and feel good and I don’t when I’m overweight. What’s wrong with that?
2. No, not if I’m at a healthy bmi but when my bmi was 29, I wouldn’t go so far as to say it affected my mental health but I didn’t feel good about the way I looked
3. Do you mean the very long-term side effects which are unknown? Slightly, sometimes but it’s been around for 10-20 yrs as a diabetes med and it’s obviously had to go through rigorous testing to be approved for the public so I think the benefits outweigh the risks imo

Mounjaro is not licensed or clinically recommended for individuals who are only slightly overweight without weight-related health problems. They may be currently undergoing trials but they still don't know the effects on those who are not obese. Frankly I don't care - if you want to use something with risks or smoke 50 a day, that's up to you. But don't tell me it's "safe" and risk free it's not.

You are saying it’s not safe but your only reasoning for that is that it hasn’t been licensed yet, so you don’t know it’s not safe any more than anyone knows it is. I’m interested to know what the logic could be for thinking someone with an always normal BMI would be more at risk than someone who has gone from high to normal?

@RausageSoul trust me, I’ve tried. I’ve reported it twice on the grounds that it’s promoting dangerous advice, but MNHQ aren’t bothered.

I have. Twice. MNHQ not interested

I am not sure I buy this. I lied to get with a BMI of 26.5 PCOS and high cholesterol. If I was 2kg more my BMI would be 27 and it would be licensed. I could have easily gained 2kg before I started taking it- would that have made it safe? I’m now down to a BMI of 23 and I’m still taking (microdose) - also not licensed to take under 2.5mg, I’m taking 2mg. Is 2.5mg safe but 2mg isn’t?

To be honest I am sure that SO many people 'lie' to get WLI that MNHQ, possibly feel it needs exploring and that experiences, perspectives, opinions and advice, would actually be for the 'greater good'.

It is entirely naive to think that everyone who is on it has been entirely straight honest and truthful when approaching providers.

I am aware that my BIL uses it - he is in the fitness industry - and has also encouraged his sons (aged 18/22) to use it too...not one of them has been medically assessed for it.

I am aware that at least 5 women I know locally - in their 50's with perhaps only 2-3kgs to lose to achive a BMI of 20 - are also using it and simply applied on line taking a few inches off their height and adding a few kgs to their weight...

It really is not hard to get- if you know the right provider, have the money to spare, and can provide a pic of a large body frame awkwardly slumped in a pair of leggings 4 sizes too small creating a few spare tyres and extra flab...

Of course it isn't recommended and for some it is not safe, but where theres a will - there seems to be a way...

Better out and talked about, and if someone with an ED reads it - it will provide them with nothing new that they have not already considered...to assume they might be encouraged to get 'illegal' or 'unethical' supplies of WLI because of this thread/post is a bit dim?

I can’t understand that either. My bmi has been 20 for a the last year and have been taking 15 mg all that time. I don’t think there’s much risk of danger to someone with a bmi under the 25 mark starting a low dose

This makes no sense. A drug is either safe for a human or it’s not. Both someone with a bmi of 23 and someone with a bmi of 53 are humans. If it’s safe for an obese person why wouldn’t it be safe for a non-obese person?!

Exactly, it is prescribed off license. Just like testosterone is prescribed off license for menopause.

Of course it is safe to use at a normal bmi. The drug is designed to stay on it long term, after someone who was obese has reached a normal bmi. The drug doesn’t know whether the person taking it recently hit a normal bmi or whether they’ve always been a normal bmi!

I've reported posts in the past that definitely break the rules and they've ignored me too. shame on them.

Which one of the rules is this thread breaking?:

We do have a few forum rules to make sure we keep Talk a good place to hang out:

• No personal attacks
• No posts that break the law, including hate speech of any kind
• No trolling, misleading or deliberately inflammatory behaviour
• No trollhunting
• No spamming

You omitted safeguarding@Beachforever

Mumsnet claims to support safeguarding.

I didn’t omit anything. It’s copy and paste from the Talk Guidelines. https://www.mumsnet.com/i/netiquette

When a thread or a post is reported, one of the categories for complaint is ‘safeguarding’.

Reporting posts isn’t automatically a complaint.

If someone posted that they feel unsafe and are locked in their bathroom whilst their husband is raging and trashing the house then the post can be reported under safeguarding so MNHQ can possibly help etc.

I have reported posts for safeguarding in the past when someone was obviously going through something. MNHQ then often jumps on the thread and signposts services.

Reporting this thread is just trying to achieve censorship. Someone added a couple of kg to their weight on a form for WLI’s. That’s all. Or others have legitimately been prescribed them off label. 2 minutes on google can tell you that this is possible. It’s been reported in national newspapers and I’ve even seen a segment on This Morning about it.

Social media is continually criticised, and rightly so, for allowing individuals to openly state the ways that people can harm themselves.
Eating disorders, suicide, self harm etc.
Social platforms have a duty of care: safeguarding.
I honestly believe the OP of this thread has outlined very clearly how to circumvent medical requirements to achieve her goal. Medical requirements are there for good reason. What if individuals with eating disorders, body dysmorphia etc use the info the OP has imparted?
Platforms used by those with eating disorders are constantly monitored to weed out exactly this sort sharing of information.
You talk of censorship, even although the OP has very clearly breached medical requirements. I call it safeguarding.

Here is an extract from a patient information leaflet for a drug:

If anyone takes too much of this medicine.....
contact a doctor or hospital for advice. Symptoms may include:
increased heart rate, irregular heartbeat, changes to your
heartbeat (these symptoms can have potentially serious, life-
threatening consequences), muscle stiffness, uncoordinated
movements, drowsiness, difficulty urinating, or weak breathiing.

Get medical help at once
Rare: (affects less than 1 in 1,000 but 1 or more in 10,000 people)
■ Allergic reactions including unexplained wheezing, shortness
of breath, passing out or swelling of face and throat.
■ Skin rashes, which may be severe and include blistering or
peeling skin.
■ Loss of consciousness or reduced level of consciousness
(passing out, feeling faint or less alert), muscle stiffness and
uncoordinated movements.
■ Not known (frequency cannot be estimated from the available
data): Upper abdominal pain, abdominal pain that radiates to
back, tenderness when touching the abdomen, fever, rapid
pulse, nausea, vomiting, which may be symptoms of
inflammation of the pancreas (acute pancreatitis).
If you get any of these, stop using the medicine and get
medical help at once.
Talk to a doctor as soon as possible
Uncommon: (affects less than 1 in 100 but 1 or more in 1,000 people)
■ Itchiness or hives.
■ Stomach pain or swollen stomach.
Rare: (affects less than 1 in 1,000 but 1 or more in 10,000 people)
■ Difficulties passing water.
■ Severe constipation.
■ Burning or prickling sensation of the tongue.
■ Miosis (narrowing of the pupils of the eye).
■ Hypertonia (muscle tension).
■ Coordination abnormality (uncoordinated movements).
If you notice any of the above, stop using the medicine and
talk to a doctor.
Other effects that may occur
Common: (affects less than 1 in 10 but 1 or more in 100 people)
■ Feeling sick, constipation or wind.
■ Headache.
Uncommon: (affects less than 1 in 100 but 1 or more in
1,000 people)
■ Dizziness or drowsiness.
■ Vomiting, indigestion.
■ Dry mouth.
Rare: (affects less than 1 in 1,000 but 1 or more in 10,000 people)
■ Tiredness.

What is this "dangerous" drug you may wonder. It's an extract of the leaflet for Immodium Instants. Is anyone handringing about the dangers people are putting themselves in when they pop an immodium. I suspect not.

What if individuals with eating disorders, body dysmorphia etc use the info the OP has imparted?

Use what information? That she lied on a form? You don’t think someone with an ED might have already had that brain wave? It’s hardly a revelation.

Also OP isn’t openly stating how someone can harm themselves. OP doesn’t have a ED. She’s not started an AMA saying “I’ve managed to get down to 5st, listen up any of you ED sisters, this is how to do it”. She’s just taking WLI’s to get back down to her “fighting weight”. Just like half the women on this site if the WLI boards are anything to go by.

This site is filled with people promoting WLI’s as being truly wonderful. Is that not also encouraging people with ED’s to try and lay their hands on them?

The fact that some PP’s don’t think that those who have never been obese should take them is a matter of opinion, nothing more.

I have read the post and I am saying you are not "just" getting a bikini body. You are lowering your liklihood of a cardiac event, a stroke, becoming a diabetic or having fatty liver disease. A large middle is a risk factor for becoming diabetic which can have all kinds of horrible consequences. I know someone who has recently lost toes because of their diabetes.

Yes, probably cost effectiveness. And since it is OP's money not the NHS's who should care?

It is proper that you can't just get a drug prescribed on the NHS because you want help getting into your bikini or wedding dress etc - if you are already a healthy weight there can be no significant benefit. But if you are going private you get to decide what value for money is.

It depends on starting point, if one is already a "healthy" weight improvements in stroke or cardiac risks would be less and might not offset the risks due to the drug.

Soooo, you are saying people should be allowed to self diagnose and choose their own medications? Where would you draw the line? Should all drugs be over the counter without a prescription?

And I've clicked "unwatch" on this thread twice but still getting a deluge of new comments being sent to my email. Am now cancelling all email notifications; Mumsnet is becoming too much of a clickbait rather than a source of useful information.

I can’t get too worked up about it, no. Each to their own. But then, I’m not a very judgemental person.