I lied about my weight to get Mounjaro

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Just that really.

So there will be repercussions but it’s fine to take for health reasons? Make it make sense, it’s either such a risk or it’s fine. It cannot be both.

Life is just too short to spend it either hating your body or being hungry and denying yourself things you like. I very much doubt many people are spending hundreds of pounds a month on it just to “lose those last few stubborn pounds”. Think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. But those last 2 or 3 stubborn stone…for me it’s absolutely been worth it, so much so that I’m willing to risk any potential long-term side-effect that may come with it (which isn’t likely to be anything massively serious, otherwise it would never have been approved). It’s also been around for over 20 years already so any medium long-term side-effects will have already been seen

It wasnt approved to be abused and used the way it now is.
Its sad that people hate their body that much. And I wasn't saying everyone uses it for those last few stubborn pounds. A few stone is very different than the OP lying to get it.
I also think its terrible for society (especially women) as we are now going back to idolising very thin bodies, thinking that is the only way to be happy or beautiful. Rather than focusing on being strong.
I also never mentioned being hungry. Starving yourself to lose weight isnt necessary.

As if the thin body ideal ever ended.

Not since the covid jab have we had so many internet posters pretending to be soooo concerned about the side effects and the long term health prospects of complete strangers.

Probably either slim people worried their skinny privilege is being diluted, or fat people jealous they can't get their hands on some.

Take them, don't take them, nobody cares. But everyone knows you don't give a shit about the health of anyone else taking these injections. In fact in the unlikely event there are long term impacts, you'll be back on here crowing about it.

I actually do give a shit about the health risks of people taking drugs that aren’t appropriate for them. Partly that’s me being a decent person and not wanting women to risk their health for their looks. Partly selfish, I don’t want to have to pay for the NHS to mop up afterwards if there do turn out to be side effects.

of course if someone can tell me WLIs have no major side effects if taken by someone who is not overweight then great. Give them out like sweeties.

but just because you don’t care about the women you share a country with, doesn’t mean that nobody else does. It’s normal to care about people, even ones you have never met.

@Forgotthebins

of course if someone can tell me WLIs have no major side effects if taken by someone who is not overweight then great.

Most people who started overweight continue to take them once they are not overweight. Most medical professionals see them as a life long drug at a maintenance level.

If there were known significant risks of someone with a normal BMI taking them, then people would be forced to stop taking them once they were no longer obese. However, it is recommended that people stay on a maintenance dose.

Can you explain why WLIs would have serious side effects for someone who was a normal weight, and not have any side effects for someone who was overweight?….
Do you think the WLI needle has its own little brain and can detect the weight of the body it’s going into? And then decide to give the normal weight one some nasty side-effects 🤣
Is there something dramatically different about the body of an overweight person compared to a normal weight person that would make it safe for one and not safe for the other?
Do you see how ridiculous your argument is now? Overweight and normal weight people are the same species! Therefore the drug is not going to be any safer if you’re a few stone heavier. Any long-term side effect that comes from it would affect anyone. It’s purely bad luck if you get a serious side-effect and not based on how much you weighed at the time - in the unlikely event that there ever will be any long term effects

Also, it’s really NOT normal to genuinely care about people who you’ve never met, or even seen.

Speak for yourself.

If that were true then all those adverts designed to tug on your heart strings and get you to donate money to charities wouldn't work. Come to think of it, would anyone make a charitable donation to an organisation who cared for people if they didn't care about what happened to the people who the charity helped?

No, it absolutely is normal. If it wasn’t we wouldn’t have areas of work like health and social care, or charities, or a lot of education. Things happen because people care about people around them in society, not just themselves and the people in their house.

I was told to take aspirin while I was pregnant for blood pressure. I asked if I should continue after birth and they said “no, it’s a different mechanism.” Not just same species but same person. And yet the medical advice was different when things were different. Or an anti-depressant will work well for someone then interact badly with another medication so it has to be stopped.

what I am asking is whether WLIs are actually harmful for someone who is not overweight, or is the weight criterion just there as a way to ration them. Someone else gave me a much more helpful answer.

Why have the weight criterion in the first place then, is it just rationing? Was the doctor earlier on in the thread wrong about side effects?

No, the doctor wasn’t wrong about possible side effects, they are clearly written on the accompanying leaflet. But they are no more severe or more likely if you are BMI 35 or BMI 25. So it is no more dangerous for a lower weight person to take them than a higher weight person.

The medication does know your BMI!

But there is no weight criteria once you’ve been prescribed them.

So if you have had them when you were BMI 35, you can continue to be prescribed them perfectly legitimately by any pharmacy once you are down to BMI 24 for example. Or any BMI above 18 for most pharmacies.

That’s because your body changes dramatically during pregnancy- due to hormones and the transformation that takes place inside your body to prepare for pregnancy. It can’t be compared to being overweight- there’s no huge hormonal changes, no major changes take place inside your body (apart from fat loss, and maybe lower blood pressure & cholesterol, but these don’t change your body’s physiology like pregnancy). Anyway, to answer your question, neither is true - it’s not harmful if you’re overweight and the weight criteria isn’t there to ration them. You can get it prescribed right down to the lowest healthy bmi - 18.5, as long as when you started you had a bmi of 30 or over. So plenty of normal weight people are currently being prescribed it. The weight criteria isn’t there to ration them either - they don’t need to ration them but if they did they’d do it by putting the price up. They’re a drugs company who want to make money after all. The last price increase has already made them unaffordable to some people. The weight criteria is there because they acknowledge that is a fairly new drug and there may be long-term side effects we don’t know about yet, so it’s about balancing the health risks associated with obesity against the potential risks for long-term side effects. The obesity risks outweigh the risk of any potential side effects from the drug, but they deem it not worth the risk if you’re just overweight and not obese (although I think this is likely to change very soon and it will be available for those with bmi 25+). You can’t get it if your bmi is under 25 because you’re a normal weight and it’s not healthy to lose dramatic amounts of weight when you’re already in the normal range as you’ll quickly become underweight and unhealthy

Thank you for actually talking to me like a human being now.

I will be leaving this thread now. Thank you to those who replied to my questions. For the last 48 hours I have had my old eating disorders thoughts raging. I really thought I was past this. But skinny has a whole new meaning now. Not just “well I could just not eat,” but “I’m being foolish for not taking something that would satisfy my desire to visually disappear.”

Another part of me finds the interaction between my disorder and the culture fascinating.

For others in my position - I hope you/we get through it. Stay strong.

I outline my (non-expert!) reasoning for this in the post you QT.

If medically untrained people are going to self-medicate, then for the love of god kbe honest with your GP. There may be risks and implications, of which you are completely unaware.