I lied about my weight to get Mounjaro

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Just that really.

So what about diazepam? Methadone? Ketamine?
What about people who self diagnose, self medicate, get it wrong and become ill, then turn to the NHS to sort it out? You okay with that too because you are ‘not a very judgemental person’.
Where does good sense play out in this for you?

It’s not exactly rocket science to figure out how to lie to get Mounjaro. If someone with an eating disorder wanted to lie to get it, seeing this thread isn’t exactly going to be a lightbulb moment for them

All the drugs you mentioned are controlled drugs and for a good reason - they can cause harm. Comparing them to Mounjaro is ridiculous. It’s not a controlled drug and is easy to get for a reason. It does not cause harm

But that actually doesn’t explain anything. All that tells us is that got caught out lying because you forgot to change your username.

You are now comparing to medications that cannot be prescribed by online pharmacies. Different drugs have different classifications and can only be prescribed and dispensed by certain professionals.

If WLI were so risky to a persons health in terms of addiction or psychological impact then they would be more tightly controlled. As is the case for the drugs you mention.

Can you not see your arguments are becoming quite weak now?

For some people WLIs are risky. But you do you.

These are controlled drugs. You’d need to see a specialist in person. I can’t see how you could lie to get them. Even testosterone, you can get online from Superdrug but need to do blood test first so lying is more difficult. Why not compare to other drugs that you can get from an online pharmacy without a blood test.

But if you are going private you get to decide what value for money is.

Oh dear. That's not the way things work with prescribed medication in this country. Thank god. Sometimes you have to save people from themselves. It's called medical ethics.

I don’t really understand this comment. There are clinics prescribing micro dosing for those within normal BMI. It’s pricey yes but if you can afford it and consider it value for money then that’s up to the individual. These are prescribed off license as are many many other drugs.

Exactly, I think a lot of PP’s don’t really understand the private system having always used the NHS.

Private GP’s, private consultants etc are more than willing to prescribe most things. All it takes is some sensible conversations, maybe a blood test or 2 to check something wouldn’t be detrimental to your health and bingo.

DH was prescribed ADHD meds by his private doctor without an official diagnosis as they both suspected he may have ADHD so he was prescribed them to see if they help at all. They do so now he has them monthly despite not having a piece of paper that says he has ADHD.

There are certain migraine drugs that are not actually licensed for migraines and are very expensive. My NHS GP was unwilling to prescribe them for that reason. I made a private GP appointment and had the prescription within 5 minutes.

'clinics prescribing micro dosing for those within normal BMI'

Let's see how long that's allowed to stand shall we.

Many doctors and health experts are wary of the practice, however, saying it can lead to unpredictable outcomes. The Lancet said in an article in February: “The practice of microdosing drugs is not new, but there is no evidence that it works for obesity.”
Ann Marie Defnet, a bariatric surgeon at Northwell Health, New York state’s largest healthcare provider, says in its health publication the Well: “Clinical trials are where we figure out whether a treatment is both effective and safe. And none of the big GLP-1 trials studied anything like ‘microdosing’. So right away, if you’re going off-label, you’re stepping into the unknown.”

You would be very surprised how easy it is to get medications privately off licence.
I suspect there are no clinical trials and will never be for micro dosing as it would not benefit pharma to have people using tiny amounts. As far as I can tell microdosing is not used to treat obesity its more for those wanting to shed a few lbs prior to a holiday.
And yes it may well stop eventually but right here right now it’s an option for those who can afford it.

Well since that article was written almost a year ago, most of the online pharmacies have started prescribing off-label to those with BMI of 25+ so the trend for prescribers is for them becoming more accessible, not less.

I sincerely wish them luck. I suspect in the future, they may need it. 🙁

Good luck to all involved.

I was able to get compounded tirzepatide in the US for treating PCOS, it’s another well-known off label use and you don’t use as much as in weight loss. It very much helped me tbh. Not enough is said about anti-inflammatory uses of these drugs.

I did the same last year.I was 1.5 stone over my ideal weight.

I don’t think that’s true? If someone once had a BMI of 35, that perhaps could indicate some imbalance or deficiency of hormones (GLP-1s) that WLIs have been managing or remedying. If someone has always had a BMI of 23, that doesn’t suggest any medical need for the WLIs, and you could argue there’s a higher risk of harmful side effects.

Why would there be a higher risk of harmful side effects in someone who has always been BMI 23 compared to someone who is recently BMI 23?

If a lot of people carrying a “sticky stone” were losing their toes, that would indeed change the risk-benefit ratio.

No that is definitely how I read what you wrote. And the reason I care is that I think it would be better if women weren’t taking drugs that they haven’t been prescribed, and are lying to get, just because of social pressure about their appearance. I think medical research happens for a reaso, to figure out what drugs are safe for whom. I care about other people not just myself, so hang me up in the public square and stone me as a witch.

I didn’t lie about my weight as I had to send photos of the scales, might have taken 2inches off my height though.

had previously taken it from having a bmi of over 30 (so qualifying) and got down to a 24.9 bmi, but then gained 1.5st so wanted to go back on it before the figures got to high again, hence declaring myself to be slightly shorter

Thanks for your reply. I was really interested in what you said about hoping that other women wouldn’t take it as if they did, you wouldn’t look so good by contrast. Could you explain a bit more about that? If you lived in a culture where slightly fat bodies (upper end of normal BMI to slightly overweight, the “sticky stone”) - do you think you would still take WLIs for the health benefits you list?

Well I was half joking about that one! But yes I do think when the norm is skinny there’s more pressure on you to fit that norm. I remember going to Florida years ago when I was a bit overweight, probably a size 14-16 and noticing that the norm there seemed to be massively overweight/obese and instantly feeling less self-conscious walking round in my shorts and t-shirt with the odd fat roll hanging out

Nobody can say it does not cause harm. I dont believe for a second that there won't be future repercussions of so many people taking it. I think prescribed for health reasons is fine, taking it to lose those last stubborn pounds (and I can relate. I exercise, weight train, eat healthy and barely touch sugar) - isnt what the drug was meant for.
I honestly think people who chose to pay for it/lie to get it, should also have to pay to deal with future health issues as a result. The NHS should not have to fix people who do this to themselves.
Nobody knows the long term effects yet.