I lied about my weight to get Mounjaro

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Just that really.

Exactly. Personal choice, not one I'd make myself but interesting to read about, and OP isn't harming anyone else. Not sure what the issue is.

Have you had hair loss or very sudden hair greying? A few friends did this 2 years ago and are still having hair problems.

Oh I see we made the 'MN are cunts' Tattle thread too 🙄(no I'm not a member but have a mole) I'm sorry there are people out there who think being menopausal means you have to get fat and grey but yeah at the age of 40 I'm not giving up without a fight

I think that normalising the acquisition of high risk prescription only medication via deception is probably a harm, to some degree.

@Threadreplier I've been going grey since I was 35 but I've not noticed it getting worse. Also similarly I've been blessed with the thickest head of hair and haven't noticed any thinning at all

So did I.. I’m 5.5ft, lost a stone from 9.3 down to 8.3. Was only on it for two months, it’s done the trick as I’ve managed to keep it off.

@cupfinalchaos You're my kindred spirit! Be prepared for a ton of abuse though....

Thanks for your reply. I am really interested in the long term health benefits and possible side effects long-term. It's quite an unknown in a non-obese population.

I don’t think you’re getting a ton of abuse? A couple of posters are expressing themselves robustly but by no means the majority.

I don't see why there is a pile on/so much negativity OP, lots of clinics are now willing to sell micro-dosses of wlis to women who are only slightly overweight but are finding it difficult to shift due to the menopause.

I take wegovy. One of the best best things ive ever dne. You've lied to get wli but you're happy with that. Your choice. no one needs to know.

I had premature menopause at 38 and all the lovely things that come with it so I totally get it.

If youre that happy why post on mn.

I'm kind of scared about this as a life long anorexia sufferer.

Please be careful.

Is it high risk though? I haven't seen any evidence of that.
Got to be less harm per patient than cosmetic surgery, surely? Just feels different because it's newer.

@BoulevardOfBrokenSleep I see it as definitely less risky than my boob job

Personally I think anyone overweight or possibly very close to Over weight should be allowed it. People struggle to lose weight thats why WLI are being used. Because someone's bmi is a 29 doesn't mean they struggle less than the person with the bmi of 30. Also once that person gets to 29 they still use wli yet the person who was 29 bmi wasn't allowed to even start it.

I am taking Mounjaro so my comment isn't an attempt to disparage it. I also think in time it will be available to help maintain a healthy weight rather than having to wait to be an unhealthy weight before getting support.

However the rapid weight loss you have achieved is effectively starvation:
"I've literally not been able to eat.". A fair chunk of the mass you have lost with this rapid weightloss will be muscle mass (I think you can expect muscle loss to be about 40%).

As muscle is more metabolically active than fat and you use more calories maintaining it (and of course you are lighter overall) you will of course need less calories each day to avoid gaining weight.

If you regain weight (not through a deliberate attempt to build muscle with diet and weight traing but your usual common or garden eating type) then that will be pretty much exclusively fat.

If you regain your weight (let's say you were 9st5) and you go back to 9st 5 you will have less muscle and more fat. Because of that if you eat the same amount of calories that maintained your weight before e.g. you eat 1800 calories (or whatever) instead of maintaining 9st5 you will get heavier for this same amount of calories.

TLDR: Using Mounjaro to starve yourself burns muscle that is needed for strength and metabolism. Weight should be lost at a healthy pace with efforts to maintain muscle mass as otherwise maintaining weight after Mounjaro will be even more difficult than it was before.

@BoulevardOfBrokenSleep it’s not my term, “high risk” it’s the GPhC term used when they issued further guidelines to pharmacies to make tighter checks on prescribing. See this article for example:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yeklrer39o?app-referrer=deep-link

The problem with using drugs in a way that isn’t licensed, is that if there are problems, there’s a chance the drug may be withdrawn.

I worked in dermatology when Roaccutane was fairly newly on the market for acne. It was known that if taken in pregnancy, it could cause significant malformations of the developing foetus. Women were therefore told that they absolutely HAD to use reliable contraception, like the pill or coil. Condoms weren't enough. The rationale was that if a baby was ever born with adverse effects due to Roaccutane, then it was likely the drug would be withdrawn. And all the people who could benefit from it would miss out.

That’s my worry with abuse of WLI. The first death of an anorexic WLI user will probably see the end of Mounjaro.

@Winter2020 I'm aware, I didn't expect it to impact me as much as it did. But it's also given me additional resolve not to gain the weight back e.g. by increasing my activity

BMI 23.9 isn't exactly anywhere near 29 though. It's well within healthy. And 20 is heading to not actually too healthy at all

25+ is considered unhealthy so 23.9 isn't far off. Unhealthy is less than 18. So care to tell me how -1.1 from overweight is ok but +2.5 from underweight isn't?

I’m more concerned about people losing muscle
mass, and the longer term
implications. I’m not sure BMI is a good measure as it doesn’t take the muscle / fat ratio into account. I also lied and wanted to lose menoapause weight gain - I was getting too fat for size 12 trousers…

Are you jealous?

@BlissfullyBoring absolutely not! i have zero tolerance for lying.

I’m a GP. Menopause specialist, middle aged with a BMI of 26.5, big belly and skinny limbs. Am I tempted coming up to summer? Of course. I’m very apple shaped.

But I know I won’t. I have 1300 patients on my lists (across all age groups). Many patients on private WLI from other providers. In the past 12m I have seen 3 patients with major effects (out of hundreds) with significant negative effects… one with pancreatitis., where no other cause could be identified, one with a fairly major mental health wobble (can’t draw a direct cause line here but started with WLI and resolved when stopped) and my most recent- a chap who went blind on one eye due to ‘non arteritis anterior optic nerve ischaemia’. A life changing diagnosis for him; small print risk but real if you are the person who gets it.

I’m in favour of WLI for people whom weight causes significant health risk; but I defo won’t be taking these to look better in a swimsuit. Low risk is not no risk.