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thisisasurvivor · 31/07/2024 22:30

Hello all

LA EP here

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AlienOnEarth · 25/06/2025 15:29

Mammamia27373 · 25/06/2025 14:39

My child had their EP assessment for their EHCP by zoom (parent interview and teacher interview, never met the child) - can you really obtain enough information to write a report on their educational needs without ever meeting them?

Not an expert but that’s absurd. Of course they couldn’t assess a child without meeting them!?

What kind of unprofessional person did this? If it was someone appointed by an LA I am not surprised, the people they appoint are a joke. I did a subject access request and found the supposedly-independent LA appointed EP colluding with them about what they were “allowed to write” in their report.

How can they assess a child’s different abilities, FSIQ, working memory, processing speed etc without meeting them? I’d also report this person to their professional body for misconduct.

Find a reputable EP and get an independent assessment done.

BrumToTheRescue · 25/06/2025 15:31

@AlienOnEarth is DS attending school full time? If not, have you requested an expedited hearing on the basis DS is out of full-time school? Do that if you haven’t. And if DS can’t attend full-time, separately to the EHCP process, have you requested alternative provision?

Unfortunately, the live appeal will only deal with the refusal to issue. It won’t deal with the content of any subsequent EHCP.

As difficult as it is, try not to borrow worries from tomorrow about a secondary placement. When the time comes, if you need to appeal, phase transfer appeals are prioritised and although there isn’t the court time to hear them all before the start of September if you submit an appeal ASAP after the 15th Feb deadline for LAs issuing amended EHCPs in Y6, you will get a date prior to the start of September.

I thought as much about the SSCs.

Obviously, I only know what you have written here, but I’m not sure an independent mainstream is going to work. If you want to look at them, I would start with an email asking to speak to the SENCO (some independent schools don’t call their SENCO a SENCO, but there will be someone responsible for DC with SENCO/SEN provision). You could look at* *Brambletye and Cumnor House. As I said, not sure they will work for DS, but if you want to look they would be worth investigating. From your further description, I’m not sure the SS I suggested would meet needs either, I’m afraid. Some of the schools I mentioned would be way too far for a day place.

EOTAS/EOTIS packages are completely bespoke. It can provide whatever provision DC require. The possibilities are endless. Different packages look very different. There isn’t one way of doing them. For example, some DC have formal tuition, yet others don’t have any formal tuition. Some don’t attend any formal alternative provisions, yet others attend multiple APs. Some have online provision. Others don’t have any online. Some have all their provision at home. Others don’t have any provision at home. Some have a structured timetable. Others don’t… you get the idea.

Some examples of things it can cover things are tuition (group or 1:1. F2F or online. Academic or not academic. Can be child led…), therapies (more well known one such as SALT and OT, including sensory integration OT, but also less frequently discussed ones such as rebound therapy, animal-assisted therapy, hippotherapy, music therapy…), sport/exercise (this can be anything from swimming to dance to horse riding to skiing to climbing…), music/drama/cookery/pottery… lessons, mentoring, socialising/accessing the community (this can be related to whatever DS’s interests are and can be structured or unstructured), alternative provisions (e.g. care farms, forest schools or gaming APs…). Then not forgetting other things such as equipment/resources/memberships/subscriptions, travel and professional time. Happy to post more about EOTAS/EOTIS if you want me too.

In case you aren’t aware, there are SN and SEN boards on MN. There is a Goose and Carrot Pub thread if you want to join us (don’t feel you have to read in all. Feel free to just jump in.) on SN Chat.

DrRuthGalloway · 25/06/2025 16:31

AlienOnEarth · 25/06/2025 14:27

This would not be appropriate. In the “units” there is little academic teaching, and the classrooms where teaching is going on are an inappropriate environment. So they’re meant to do what? Alternate between a traumatic environment without too many people and too much noise and too much disruption, without appropriate teaching support and STILL usually not the appropriate level of academic challenge that they need; or they can choose to go and sit in a “unit”, be made to feel different from their peers (which they’re already self-conscious about), and have their senses not assaulted for a while but learn nothing?

This isn’t an answer. It would provide two environments neither one of which would meet their needs.

This is fine to say, as long as you have visited and informed yourself.

However, saying this : "It’s a bullshit “solution” created by these appalling Councils that does not meet the needs of many children and is designed purely to save them money" is simply not true.

These bases are very successful for some autistic youngsters. It doesn't necessarily mean they would be for yours, but as it's likely to be what your LA suggests, it would be sensible to visit if you haven't already so you can say "I visited X and Y provision and they will not meet my children's needs because...." Rather than deciding on principle. It's not unreasonable for the LA to offer it, or for you to turn it down.

Boucle · 25/06/2025 17:12

AlienOnEarth · 25/06/2025 15:29

Not an expert but that’s absurd. Of course they couldn’t assess a child without meeting them!?

What kind of unprofessional person did this? If it was someone appointed by an LA I am not surprised, the people they appoint are a joke. I did a subject access request and found the supposedly-independent LA appointed EP colluding with them about what they were “allowed to write” in their report.

How can they assess a child’s different abilities, FSIQ, working memory, processing speed etc without meeting them? I’d also report this person to their professional body for misconduct.

Find a reputable EP and get an independent assessment done.

As an EP, I personally don’t think remote assessments are acceptable. Even throughout Covid, I did home visits and school visits and made sure I had seen every child I wrote an EHCNA EP report for, in the flesh.

I don’t know how you can say ethically that a child needs X,Y or Z provision if you haven’t even met them!

However, multiple EPs and LAs are okay with remote assessments. I get emails from recruitment agencies on a weekly basis, offering me a daily rate of £500+ to conduct remote assessments!

DrRuthGalloway · 25/06/2025 17:14

I don't do remote assessment either fwiw. Wouldn't suit me at all. I don't do any private work either.

AlienOnEarth · 26/06/2025 15:46

Boucle · 25/06/2025 17:12

As an EP, I personally don’t think remote assessments are acceptable. Even throughout Covid, I did home visits and school visits and made sure I had seen every child I wrote an EHCNA EP report for, in the flesh.

I don’t know how you can say ethically that a child needs X,Y or Z provision if you haven’t even met them!

However, multiple EPs and LAs are okay with remote assessments. I get emails from recruitment agencies on a weekly basis, offering me a daily rate of £500+ to conduct remote assessments!

The poster I was responding to said the EP had never spoken to the child AT ALL. Only the parent and teachers. I am sure when you do a remote assessment you do actually speak to the child and assess them?

AlienOnEarth · 26/06/2025 15:50

Sorry, I misread your post! I don’t see how a remote assessment could be of high quality personally as children do not behave naturally on video calls. Even adults don’t. Relieved to hear you agree it’s not how an EP should work. But for an EP to write a report on a child they’d never even spoken to as the poster described is shocking!

My opinion of LA EPs is very low due to the ridiculous reports issued for both of my children and the EP’s behaviour. When I pointed out that what she’s written as my contribution was factually wrong she deleted ALL parental contribution from the report entirely. I then uncovered via an SAR her colluding with the LA about what she was “allowed to write” and emails about “getting their story straight” for the tribunal. I am going to report her to her professional body.

I hope they’re not all that corrupt. Very glad I got a proper assessment done first by a competent independent EP.

AlienOnEarth · 26/06/2025 15:51

@BrumToTheRescuethank you for your posts, I shall try to reply properly later!

Mammamia27373 · 26/06/2025 16:29

Yes this was for my child for an EHCNA. The EP was a locum in Ireland. I insisted on an in person asssessment and the LA said this a remote assessment was the only option. The EP never met my child. I wished I had pushed harder, but ultimately we needed the EHCP for a full time 1:1 which we got. But yes I was very unimpressed and ended up paying for a private EP who did meet my child and provided a thorough report with useful insights.

I am looking to get my child assessed for ADHD and the RTC options only offer remote assessments too. I still can’t see how my child would be able to sit through an assessment remotely.

Mammamia27373 · 26/06/2025 16:29

AlienOnEarth · 26/06/2025 15:46

The poster I was responding to said the EP had never spoken to the child AT ALL. Only the parent and teachers. I am sure when you do a remote assessment you do actually speak to the child and assess them?

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