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I've served a prison sentence

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NCforAMA · 01/08/2022 17:51

I've seen a few threads on here recently where the OPs have basically suggested prisoners are the scum of the earth and are all like the likes of Ian Huntley ect.

I've read the comments and seen a few prison officers defending the prisoners and most posters also defending them, but I thought maybe I would answer some questions so people can understand what it's really like to be inside a prison cell.

Ive name changed for obvious reasons.

Il list a few points that I think would be the first questions;

I'm female.

I'm 33 and I was in jail in 2012.

I received a 12 month custodial sentence. I served 13 weeks in jail, 13 weeks on a tag and the remaining 6 months were served on license at home.

I don't want to say exactly what I was in for as I don't want it to be outing. I will clarify though that it was not a violent offence, not a sexual one before I get abuse from posters. To summarise, I was with a boy who wasn't very well behaved and was basically guilty by association. I was young, stupid and naive. And I absolutely paid the price.

I wish I could change the perception of how people see prisoners.

Anyway, ask away.

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Calibrachoa · 05/08/2022 19:22

NCforAMA · 01/08/2022 18:11

It's not far off, obviously anything on tv is exaggerated and dramatised. There was a drama called 'time' and I was in floods of tears watching that as it was very real and brought back feelings from when I arrived. Another girl I was there with text me saying The same thing too

That's interesting. I heard that Time was very realistic according to prison staff, but your description of a women's prison sounded less bullying and violent (of people without child related offences)

Calibrachoa · 05/08/2022 19:25

NCforAMA · 01/08/2022 18:19

So you don't always have to share a cell, I was in a single one. Then I moved to the 'houses' where you share a room but they have communal toilets.

So I never did have to poo in front of anyone thankfully!

Thank God. I don't think anyone should ever have to do that

AnotherAnonymousNameChange · 05/08/2022 19:43

NC also.

I haven’t been to prison but I was convicted of drink driving a long time ago, in my early 20s. It was an absolute moment of drunken stupidity and immaturity. Everyone was surprised, I had a nice upbringing, good education and seemed mature and sensible.

Like you said @NCforAMA the burning shame and telling my parents was the worst part. I had some judgment, lots of people telling me about the times that they got away with it (thanks for that!) but I found out lots of other people had the same conviction. I really remember who supported me, giving lifts etc.

The experience made me realise that sometimes good people do bad things, and in your early 20s as we were, your brain isn’t fully matured anyway.

Thank you for sharing your experiences. In different circumstances I could have been in your situation. I have pondered on this many times, nobody was injured by my actions but what might have happened still haunts me. I’m now in my 40s with a young family so this is long behind me, but I think once my children are old enough to start learning to drive, I will tell them, as a cautionary tale.

I also have a question- has your previous sentence affected your ability to travel, ie the ESTA form for the US asks about convictions I think?

Sascha33 · 05/08/2022 20:12

@NCforAMA it was hard although obvs very different to your experience. It’s only as I’ve got older that I’ve started to reflect a bit more. Like you, I totally cringe when anything to do with prisons comes on tv…I don’t even like hearing the word said in real life. Although weirdly, I don’t mind the word ‘jail’ quite so much!!!!

fudfootedfannybangle · 06/08/2022 06:01

Amazing AMA. There but for the grace of god and all that - I’ve made many a questionable decision - and even to this day have never bought a TV license which is technically a crime I could be jailed for… I’ve had a few run-ins with the police and always joked my get out of jail fee card was a posh accent.

an ex’s dad was the prison doctor in a woman’s prison and we got a look around one day. The women were so nice and the one who made us coffees turned out to have been in for murder, ex’s dad said 90% of the murderers had simply cracked after decades of abuse and went for the fucker with a frying pan. 😂

visited a friend in belmarsh once - no “happy friendly vibes” there!

anyway, I was struck/saddened by the thought of those who never receive a letter. Is there some way of sending a letter to someone who doesn’t normally get them?

wellhelloitsme · 06/08/2022 09:41

fudfootedfannybangle · 06/08/2022 06:01

Amazing AMA. There but for the grace of god and all that - I’ve made many a questionable decision - and even to this day have never bought a TV license which is technically a crime I could be jailed for… I’ve had a few run-ins with the police and always joked my get out of jail fee card was a posh accent.

an ex’s dad was the prison doctor in a woman’s prison and we got a look around one day. The women were so nice and the one who made us coffees turned out to have been in for murder, ex’s dad said 90% of the murderers had simply cracked after decades of abuse and went for the fucker with a frying pan. 😂

visited a friend in belmarsh once - no “happy friendly vibes” there!

anyway, I was struck/saddened by the thought of those who never receive a letter. Is there some way of sending a letter to someone who doesn’t normally get them?

Genuine not snarky question - if you do need a tv license then why not just pay for one? If you can afford it at all then it seems like a silly risk for a fine or worse.

diddl · 06/08/2022 17:38

90% of the murderers had simply cracked after decades of abuse and went for the fucker with a frying pan. 😂

How hilarious🙄

Horatioshelmet · 06/08/2022 18:56

Amazing AMA Thankyou OP. I

NCforAMA · 06/08/2022 19:04

@Calibrachoa I think it was the way they portrayed the feelings of the man's first night in prison that got me started with the tears. My DP had asked if we could watch it so I watched it by myself first, sobbed the whole way through and then pretended I hadn't seen it and managed to hold myself together the second time 🤣 it was the realist prison drama I've seen. Like you said though, there wasn't as much bullying, I believe there's loads in the male estates though from what I've heard, they put sugar in boiling water and throw it over people ect x

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polka6 · 06/08/2022 19:12

What a gripping thread, I have read every post by you OP. Thank you for giving us an insight into life in a prison and well done on turning your life around.

How has your life been for the past decade?
How often do you think about this phase of your life and how does it affect you today?
How do people react to this when you meet them now, eg. new relationships/friendships?
Do you think this experience has made you forgiving of others?
Has this thread re-opened your wounds? It's certainly been food for thought for us as readers, I'm not sure I see it quite so black and white now
What would you change about the prison system?
How have you changed?
How has this affected your mental health?

I'm sure if we crossed paths I would never have guessed about your past. It makes me wonder how prevalent this is, how many times I must have met ex prisoners and not known.

To echo a previous poster, I also don't want this thread to end, I think its the most interesting thread I have ever read on any forum.

NCforAMA · 06/08/2022 19:13

AnotherAnonymousNameChange · 05/08/2022 19:43

NC also.

I haven’t been to prison but I was convicted of drink driving a long time ago, in my early 20s. It was an absolute moment of drunken stupidity and immaturity. Everyone was surprised, I had a nice upbringing, good education and seemed mature and sensible.

Like you said @NCforAMA the burning shame and telling my parents was the worst part. I had some judgment, lots of people telling me about the times that they got away with it (thanks for that!) but I found out lots of other people had the same conviction. I really remember who supported me, giving lifts etc.

The experience made me realise that sometimes good people do bad things, and in your early 20s as we were, your brain isn’t fully matured anyway.

Thank you for sharing your experiences. In different circumstances I could have been in your situation. I have pondered on this many times, nobody was injured by my actions but what might have happened still haunts me. I’m now in my 40s with a young family so this is long behind me, but I think once my children are old enough to start learning to drive, I will tell them, as a cautionary tale.

I also have a question- has your previous sentence affected your ability to travel, ie the ESTA form for the US asks about convictions I think?

Hey!

Quite a few people in this thread have admitted their bad choices from their 20s! I'm like you, I still think about it and it makes me feel sick when I think about how stupid I was. I think having to ring my mum and say I'd been arrested was the worst 2 minutes of my life.

I've still not decided if I would tell any children. I'd like to but I'm scared they'd be ashamed of me. I'd hope they'd appreciate the fact that I'd made the best of my life making a stupid mistake but I worry that they'd be disappointed and I wouldn't be able to un-tell them.

You can't travel whilst you're on license so I couldn't go anywhere for a year afterwards. And if I was to go to America then I'd have to declare my conviction and I think you have to have an interview with the embassy, even though my conviction is now spent in the uk. I haven't been since been arrested and don't intend to any time soon purely because of that. It hasn't caused me any problems travelling to other countries.

Thank you for your kind comments xx

OP posts:
NCforAMA · 06/08/2022 19:17

Sascha33 · 05/08/2022 20:12

@NCforAMA it was hard although obvs very different to your experience. It’s only as I’ve got older that I’ve started to reflect a bit more. Like you, I totally cringe when anything to do with prisons comes on tv…I don’t even like hearing the word said in real life. Although weirdly, I don’t mind the word ‘jail’ quite so much!!!!

It's funny you say that because I would always say 'jail' over prison if I was saying anything about a prison, even if it's 'oh have you seen the news that man got sentenced to life in jail'. I feel like prison sound so serious and it makes me cringe inside. Even though everyone knows a jail and a prison are exactly the same thing haha x

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polka6 · 06/08/2022 19:22

Also, did anyone perceive themselves as a "bad" person in prison?
Was there a divide between the people who regretted their decision, couldn't get out fast enough to live a cleaner, more positive, crime-free, hopeful life vs those who didn't mind being there (/better than being homeless or already planning to commit more crimes)?
Did people ever talk about if they felt it was right how long they all got? Were some envious of the shorter sentences?
I can imagine some must have had "nice" lives they've left behind - husbands/children/friends/family compared to those that just didn't have that, did this impact the dynamics?

NCforAMA · 06/08/2022 20:10

fudfootedfannybangle · 06/08/2022 06:01

Amazing AMA. There but for the grace of god and all that - I’ve made many a questionable decision - and even to this day have never bought a TV license which is technically a crime I could be jailed for… I’ve had a few run-ins with the police and always joked my get out of jail fee card was a posh accent.

an ex’s dad was the prison doctor in a woman’s prison and we got a look around one day. The women were so nice and the one who made us coffees turned out to have been in for murder, ex’s dad said 90% of the murderers had simply cracked after decades of abuse and went for the fucker with a frying pan. 😂

visited a friend in belmarsh once - no “happy friendly vibes” there!

anyway, I was struck/saddened by the thought of those who never receive a letter. Is there some way of sending a letter to someone who doesn’t normally get them?

Thank you for your kind words.

It's surprised me how many on this thread have admitted to making questionable decisions!

Oh wow I bet he had some interesting tales after a day at work didn't he! That's lovely to hear that the women were all nice when you visited. They genuinely were mostly nice people when I was in prison. Sometimes you'd be able to forget where you were. I wonder how many of us would willingly accept a coffee made by a murderer haha.

It would appear you can write to a prisoner, I thought that was just something you can do in America but I've had a Google and there's a charity that do it here to. I've posted the link at the bottom. When the officer used to come on the houses with the post everyone would gather round and listen to all the names been called out, and even though some people never ever got a single letter they would still gather round every single day, obviously clinging onto a little bit of hope that someone had wrote to them. It used to make you feel a little bit guilty when you got a letter because you knew they needed one more than you.

www.prisonerspenfriends.org/about

Xx

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NCforAMA · 06/08/2022 20:11

Horatioshelmet · 06/08/2022 18:56

Amazing AMA Thankyou OP. I

Thank you! I'm glad everyone's been interested! Xx

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NCforAMA · 06/08/2022 20:59

polka6 · 06/08/2022 19:12

What a gripping thread, I have read every post by you OP. Thank you for giving us an insight into life in a prison and well done on turning your life around.

How has your life been for the past decade?
How often do you think about this phase of your life and how does it affect you today?
How do people react to this when you meet them now, eg. new relationships/friendships?
Do you think this experience has made you forgiving of others?
Has this thread re-opened your wounds? It's certainly been food for thought for us as readers, I'm not sure I see it quite so black and white now
What would you change about the prison system?
How have you changed?
How has this affected your mental health?

I'm sure if we crossed paths I would never have guessed about your past. It makes me wonder how prevalent this is, how many times I must have met ex prisoners and not known.

To echo a previous poster, I also don't want this thread to end, I think its the most interesting thread I have ever read on any forum.

Thank you! And thank you for reading every post - it must have took you a while. It's nice to see that people are genuinely interested and have genuinely listened to what I've said. I was half expecting loads of horrible messages and for me to never open the Mumsnet app again haha.

Some good questions!

My life's been good since release. It was obviously hard at first, I was so convinced that I'd ruined my life, that I'd never get a job, that I'd never get a boyfriend again ect. I made the stupid mistake the day after I got home of reading the newspaper articles and then the comments people had wrote. People had wrote comments saying that I needed to die or that I needed to kill myself and stuff like that and I couldn't help but think that everyone would think the same. Anyway, I started a job 4 weeks later just working for a friend whilst I job hunted for something permanent. I've got a good job now, I've been on holidays, I've bought a house, I just live a 'normal', quiet life.

I honestly think about it pretty much every day, not because I sit and purposely think about the time I was in prison but because things remind me of certain things. Sometimes it's a very brief thought, like when I do my shopping and see penguins on the biscuit isle (you got one EVERY SINGLE DAY), other times it's when I hear someone's been sentenced to a prison sentence on the news and it makes me think about it. I often think about some of the girls who were in there and wonder if they're still alive, how they're doing and if they're ok. Sometimes, and I feel wrong for saying this because I feel like you shouldn't have a good time in prison, il remember something funny that happened and il laugh to myself.

In terms of how it affects me today, the actual prison sentence doesn't really affect my day to day life. Like a previous PP mentioned, if I wanted to go to America it could cause me problems, but my employer knows what happened, my DP knows what happened and all my friends do, so no one judges me ect although I do worry about finding a new job should I ever want to find something new. I'm actually pretty clever and sometimes I feel like I wasted the opportunity of been something amazing.

The experience as a whole affects me more. I put my hood up when I go out to get in my car because I'm scared of my ex boyfriend ever driving past and seeing where I live incase he caused me any harm. When I'm near where he lives (I don't live too far, not because I stalk him haha) I walk with my head down. I worry so so much about every little thing and I think this stems from the experience. I go through phases of getting really bad anxiety and it's normally over not much (I don't like admitting things like this because I don't want it to come across like I'm looking for sympathy, I'm not, I'm just been honest!)

If I ever tell anyone new they usually are very surprised and say something like 'YOU'VE been to prison?! You're joking' and then have LOADS of questions but more so about prison in general than about me specifically. I was meant to be going on a hen do once until one of the other girls doing messaged me to tell me she thought I was a scumbag or something but other than that I've never had anyone react badly. But obviously I'm not sure what they say behind my back. When I told my DP he said it was fine, everyone makes mistakes ect and that if I ever wanted to talk about it then I could but he doesn't really mention it and I don't bring it up. Sometimes I actually wish he would bring it up occasionally because sometimes I feel like it's asif it never happened, and I don't bring it up because I feel embarrassed.

Yeah I'm definitely more forgiving of others. Sometimes too much and I'm definitely too trusting. But I like to see the best in people rather than the worst, because I know what it's like when people only see the worst in you and I also have seen so many people in prison who were nice, caring people but to the outside world would come across as the worlds worst.

The threads definitely brought back some feelings, I couldn't sleep on Monday night after I'd answered loads of questions, it was playing on my mind again the same that it used to ten years ago.

There's loads that needs changing. I think the most important thing would be improving the help people get when they suffer from poor mental health. People in prison self harm so much and take their own lives and they will have literally cried for help a million times. But the prison staff are stretched, and there's only so much they can do. They can't let you out and they can't create you a good life but there should be more help available. They do have a listener scheme where prisoners are trained up as listeners and you can call them out any time of day, 24/7. They come out in pairs and will 'listen' to you.

They always seem to mess up peoples medication too which is obviously important both for physical and mental problems. One of the women who killed herself whilst I was there reportedly did it because she hadn't been given her meds. I'm not sure how true it is but if it is true it's such a shame that she died for that reason.

How I've changed is hard to answer, I think on the surface I would seem pretty similar. Inside I worry a lot, I get bad anxiety, I overthink things and I'm more defensive of myself which is a trait I hate but I think it's due to 1) the volitile relationship I had with my ex and 2) the horrible comments people wrote on the news articles.

On the other side of that, I appreciate life more. I am so so so grateful for my friends and my family aswell as for the small things, a walk round the park ect. I work very hard, but that's half because I feel undeserving of my job. I'm more understanding, I help anyone that I possibly can, even just by giving my old clothes to a womens refuge, or by buying someone homeless a coffee. It's made me realise that there's far more to a person than their worst moments.

My mental health was at its worst when I was on bail and facing sentencing. If it wasn't for my mum I think I would have genuinely killed myself. As strange as it sounds as soon I was sentenced (even though it wasn't a good outcome) the weight just lifted off my shoulders because I could stop worrying, there was nothing else I could do. I worry now and I get anxiety but I don't feel suicidal anymore.

Yeah I don't think you would suspect anything if you met me, I often wonder if my next door neighbours know. I'm sure they don't but it sometimes crosses my mind. I don't think most people at work know other than my manager and HR and people at gym classes ect don't know either and I think they would all be surprised if I told them. I'm just a normal girl, I'm actually quite boring, I don't go on nights out, rarely drink ect. I look like a bit of a geek too 😂

Xx

OP posts:
NCforAMA · 06/08/2022 21:14

polka6 · 06/08/2022 19:22

Also, did anyone perceive themselves as a "bad" person in prison?
Was there a divide between the people who regretted their decision, couldn't get out fast enough to live a cleaner, more positive, crime-free, hopeful life vs those who didn't mind being there (/better than being homeless or already planning to commit more crimes)?
Did people ever talk about if they felt it was right how long they all got? Were some envious of the shorter sentences?
I can imagine some must have had "nice" lives they've left behind - husbands/children/friends/family compared to those that just didn't have that, did this impact the dynamics?

I honestly don't know the answer to that, when someone knew arrived or you spoke to someone you'd not met before you'd always ask 'oh what you what for, how long did you get' ect but it wasn't often people would openly talk about their feelings, other than the ones you were close to. There was one women who had stabbed a random person to death and she would sometimes say 'do you know what I'm here for' asif you should be scared of her for it. Someone once replied 'there's only plastic knives in here though' and she didn't have much to say back to that.

No I wouldn't say there was a divide like that. I got on really well with one of my cell mates, she was from a terrible back ground, her parents were alcoholics, she'd been homeless and she sold drugs. She'd stabbed someone and she would openly say that she was going to deal drugs again in the future. I'd try talk her out if it and she'd say I didn't understand that it wasn't easy for someone like her to break free from it, she said the only person who cared about her was the one who she 'worked' for. I'd argue that they only cared because she was selling drugs for them and she said that was better than no one 😢 we cried together one night. I felt so guilty that I was from a nice home and had a 'nice' life to go back to.

There was a slight divide, which is wrong, between the very poor prisoners and the rest. But they didn't have anything and they would knock on your door a million times a day asking if you had any cigarette ends they could smoke, anything they could eat ect. So I think people just got annoyed with that.

I think every single person in prison thinks that their own sentence is too long! People were always complaining about how harshly they'd been sentenced. A few would say they'd got off lightly but they were always ones who had got like 10 years plus 🙈

I had to really think about some of the questions you asked me so I hope I've answered them x

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polka6 · 06/08/2022 23:26

How did you meet your current DP? What is he like?
I’m not surprised that youre “pretty clever”, would you mind sharing what you do for work now? Were you scared about how your work might react? How did they really react? Did your old work ever find out? Which job do you prefer? (Would you want to go back if theyd take you)
I can imagine he probably doesn’t know how to bring it up/ what to say about it, on balance probably feels its not worth raising at the expense of the possible distress it would cause you / awkwardness. Does he know about this thread? (May be worth sharing..?) Did you know him from before? Do you think people treat you differently when they hear about this past?

Do your family mention it?
Excuse my ignorance, did you feel safe in prison ?How easy or difficult is it if a murderer wanted to repeat their crime?
Does your mum worry about you falling off the track again? How has she coped with everything?
I know you don’t want to be identified by telling us what exactly you did but do you think you could share a vague idea? Or give examples of other crimes of a “similar level”?

Do you feel in hindsight that whatever it is you did should have been punished like this?
I wonder why some crimes hit the press so much harder than others. How do you recover from that, its not just the punishment/prison sentence but also facing the aftermath of media / social media which previous generations wouldn’t have had to to the same extent..

Thank you for such a detailed response answering everything I asked. You say you’re “normal, quite boring, don’t go on nights outs or drink” was the old you like this too? Why did you do whatever it is that you did? Blinded by love / to impress your ex? Financial reasons? Thrill?

It just seems crazy that someone who’s stabbed a random person for no reason is mixing freely with others who’ve committed “minor” non-violent crimes. Did she seem mentally unwell? I just can’t begin to imagine the motivation behind what she did.
Do you think you grew as a person in there? From meeting all walks of life (a bit like going to uni or travelling in an odd way..) I cant imagine any other context of meeting so many “extreme” people.

I really really do wish you all the best OP.

OneToFive · 07/08/2022 10:28

End up scanning through most of this thread while on the train. Interesting questions, and fascinating and detailed and insightful replies from the OP. Much of it is not what I would have expected, but all I know is from watching Orange if the New Black a few years ago :)

I think OP has fantastic material for a book, but maybe this Q&A format works better?

I'm expect that there must be some type of internal economy within the prison where items in short supply are highly valued and traded? If was I going to be locked in my room, and assuming I'd be fed, for a extended period of time I'd value

  • iPad / Kindle with lots of books
  • Vibrator
  • Batteries/charging cable (for the above)
  • Chocolate
  • Netflix
  • Earphone
I guess these are rare and valuable in prison too?

Are sexual favours traded for other things?

Letsgoforaskip · 07/08/2022 11:13

This is such an amazing thread OP. When you said that you sometimes feel you have wasted the opportunity of being something amazing, I strongly disagree. I think the way you have written and been so patient, empathetic, open and warm on this thread is amazing! You have changed people’s perceptions and helped us all to be less judgmental, which is phenomenal.
It saddens me that you still feel so guilty when, as has been highlighted here, we all make mistakes along the way, especially when we’re young. It sounds as though you have done brilliantly moving forward. I think you should hold you head up high. Thank you ❤️

withaspongeandarustyspanner · 08/08/2022 12:40

Isn't it Joint Enterprise? You can be sentenced just because you were there, I think. It's nothing to do with not taking responsibility. Also, I expect OP doesn't want to out herself by giving more information. No need to judge - that's happened and OP had served her time. Everyone deserves a second chance.

OP - so glad that you are moving on. I wish you all the best. I saw that you said that you would love to help other offenders when they came out of prison - I really think you should look into how you can do this. Your experiences will really make the difference to some women.

Houseofbloodymen · 08/08/2022 12:52

I reinstated my mumsnet account just to comment and say well done for your honesty and helping others who may fall down a similar trap due to relationships and the kind of peer pressure they bring.

Well done to the police for actively taking that choice away so you could move on. X

mama93345 · 08/08/2022 13:55

@withaspongeandarustyspanner

'Isn't it Joint Enterprise? You can be sentenced just because you were there, I think.'

No that's not strictly accurate : there also needs to be evidence that you had some foresight that the perpetrator was committing a crime. If I just happened to be on the pavement nearby someone who suddenly whacks someone else round the head and steals their wallet, I can't be convicted just because I was there!

I agree this is an absorbing thread and hats off to the OP for turning her life round. I just thought it was important to clarify the joint enterprise aspect

withaspongeandarustyspanner · 08/08/2022 14:19

@mama93345 - yes, I see what you mean. That is what I meant. Not if you were just passing or nearby and a crime happens, but an associate of someone who commits a crime and there when it happens. What do I know, though - I am no expert! I do try to make my children aware of things like this because it seems unfair and scary.

mama93345 · 08/08/2022 14:48

Yes it's something I drummed into my kids too. I know what you mean about being scary, but in a way I always felt the joint enterprise thing was a way of helping protect them too... really spelling out the important of making good decisions about friendships, and walking away from people/ situations so they wouldn't be involved in poor choices

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