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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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nauticant · 10/02/2025 12:57

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

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SameyMcNameChange · 10/02/2025 14:51

Legally though. This gets quite tricky for the judge. Because the judge can't overrule this insanity because the judge can't set themselves as knowing more medically than this witness.

OhBuggerandArse · 10/02/2025 14:51

oh FFS this is so unbelievably grim - what has happened to us all that this kind of total guff has been allowed to take hold and 'identify' as reasonable discourse?

murasaki · 10/02/2025 14:51

He's throwing his career down the toilet by sacrificing it on the altar of his hurt feelings.

He is a fully fledged batshit crazy LUNATIC. And a male one at that.

SidewaysOtter · 10/02/2025 14:51

I just...I...can't.

(I'm so glad my microphone is off. At least, I hope it is...)

FallenSloppyDead · 10/02/2025 14:51

This is classic queer theory. He has learnt the script

MarieDeGournay · 10/02/2025 14:51

GCITC · 10/02/2025 14:48

Biological sex is a nebulous dog whistle.

t-shirt!

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2025 14:51

NC - is there a third kind of body that could assist that isn't sperm or egg?

BU - no,

NC - is there a third gamete

BU - not to my knowledge

VeggPatch · 10/02/2025 14:51

ghostofadog · 10/02/2025 14:49

NC - You need male and female to make a baby, yes?
BU - NOT NECESSARILY
😂😂

This is just amazing

Gallstoned · 10/02/2025 14:50

what the hell……..am….I…..listening to?

GCITC · 10/02/2025 14:50

THATS BECAUSE THEIR SEX IS FEMALE!!!!!

Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 14:50

He totally insane

mzdemeanour · 10/02/2025 14:50

biology is complicated ... this really is TRA 101

Not only two kinds of bodies ...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2025 14:50

It was a stroke of genius for Naomi to get the 1984 line in when she did.

eulittleb831 · 10/02/2025 14:50

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eatfigs · 10/02/2025 14:50

This is amazing.

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2025 14:50

BU - HRT and cross sex hormones, testosterone may masculinise a body, won't have breasts if they've had a mastectomy, that person could still carry a child. No, not only two kinds of bodies.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 10/02/2025 14:50

But a transman can only produce one type of gamete.

Appalonia · 10/02/2025 14:50

What's crazy is that he actually BELIEVES this stuff!

bumbledenbarsk · 10/02/2025 14:50

He's very good at mansplaining for a woman

Signalbox · 10/02/2025 14:50

Please let the judges be peaked.

FriedGold32 · 10/02/2025 14:50

This is so embarrassing.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 10/02/2025 14:50

'sex is a nebulous dogwhistle' and once again we are in 1984 and using 'newspeak' (a controlled language of simplified grammar and limited vocabulary designed to limit a person's ability for critical thinking.)

ILikeDungs · 10/02/2025 14:50

Oh. Biology is complicated. Of course

CoaltownFifer · 10/02/2025 14:49

There are not only 2 kinds of bodies! Fuck my life.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 10/02/2025 14:49

Can we call Prof Winston please?

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