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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #8

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nauticant · 10/02/2025 10:54

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6

Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7

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NotAtMyAge · 10/02/2025 11:36

Placemarking.

ickky · 10/02/2025 11:36

Modesty and purity

CriticalCondition · 10/02/2025 11:35

DU I've never thought about why we split changing rooms.

PoshCoffee · 10/02/2025 11:35

He’s going to say patriarchy as a reason for sexed changing rooms, isn’t he?

ickky · 10/02/2025 11:35

Why won't they let NC continue in her questions? It all leads to a final question.

Greyrockin · 10/02/2025 11:35

Wish my LC swimming pool had separate changing rooms - it's mixed use, along with the showers so I can't use them 😒

Edit: LC means Local Authority

RaspberryScrubs · 10/02/2025 11:35

Nipping in between tasks to say I was NOT expecting Beyoncé!

Thanks for the commentary and updates.

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nauticant · 10/02/2025 11:35

J says that a matter of fact over why there are men's and women's facilities would require expert submissions.

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Cerah · 10/02/2025 11:35

JR: 'How can witness give evidence of how most men or women feel?'

How can he feel like a woman if he can't know how most women feel.

Ineedashero · 10/02/2025 11:34

am I the only one confused about NCs line of questionning and wondering how it helps?

Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 11:34

Judge asking NC to rephrase the question

Madcats · 10/02/2025 11:34

She's going to try to get him to conclude why SP left the changing room on two separate occasions.

ILikeDungs · 10/02/2025 11:34

If NC cannot ask these questions, what can she do? She is stopped at every damning question by JR

and aided by the J

or am I interpreting this wrong

bumbledenbarsk · 10/02/2025 11:34

JR now defining what NC is asking?

seXX · 10/02/2025 11:33

Interesting that Dr U keeps denying the need for facilities to be split for men and women yet, he still d@emands to use women's!

ghostofadog · 10/02/2025 11:33

Love the way NC keeps saying 'him' and 'he' so clearly, it's most helpful.

maltravers · 10/02/2025 11:33

Why is JR being allowed to give evidence, answer the witnesses questions and interrupt?

ickky · 10/02/2025 11:33

So many objections from JR

ThreeWordHarpy · 10/02/2025 11:33

NC consistently referring to DrU as “he”.

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2025 11:33

Judge - the evidence is a question of fact.

NC - absolutely, but relevant to whether 2nd R harassed the C by using a CR intended for women only is what his perception of why those facilites provided separate for men and women, his expectations - this goes to his intention

NotBadConsidering · 10/02/2025 11:33

Placemarking

Knittingsox · 10/02/2025 11:32

I requested access but nothing has come through yet. Please could I check with people who have access around how long it took to get the link? Thank you

BettyBooper · 10/02/2025 11:32

NC - DU violated these rules by entering this space

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2025 11:32

NC: The reason that I'm asking the witness is that he violated the rules.

BettyBooper · 10/02/2025 11:31

NC - Generally speaking women dont want to change in front of men and vice versa?
DU- yes
JR - How is this witness supposed to answer on this? In any case not true, local swimming bath unisex provision

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