My sister has been hurting her son

I am so sorry.

Thinking practically, what age are your parents? Will you need transition care to you at some point. My aunt and uncle have a high needs grandchild. He is a teen now and they can no longer cope babysitting alone - they are mid seventies now.

Just because they might get off without being properly punished does not mean we should be cheering that on or acting as though that's the correct response.

They should do prison time. Both of them. And yes, it matters.

You don't understand remand. They have been bailed rather than remanded into custody. This has no bearing on sentence and whether a custodial sentence is given, which it should be. Remand is about immediate protection of the victim, bail with non contact conditions is sufficient in this case to protect the child until the case goes to trial and sentence at which point punishment will be considered. Remand isn't for punishment

Again you've misunderstood. The PP was talking about remand as opposed to bail, not custodial sentence

Yes this is what I don't understand. If a teacher saw this, surely other people have?!

I have a DC and commitments in my life but if it were me I'd be uprooting my life to make sure she never sees him again.

I mean, what if they get found not guilty?? Or if they do but don't get custodial sentences and still have visitation rights. I personally wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing I hadnt tried everything humanly possible.

Don't patronise me. I know exactly what remand is, where have I mentioned the word punishment? One of my close friends is a criminal barrister, and in fact remand can be applied where there is a clear and present danger to the victim or there is a high chance of intefering with witnesses. Which there clearly is here from everything the OP has said.

Stop patronising people on this thread, they know the difference between custodial and remand.

So why does this case meet the threshold for remand? The accused pose a risk to their own child who is now not in their care and bail conditions can prohibit contact, there can also be electronically monitored exclusion zones and curfews applied. What additional risk does remand prevent that bail can't in this case?

As I stated, correctly, they need to be punished. And they need to go to prison.

I did misunderstand that you do not have to be remanded into custody to go to prison.

However, the person I was replying to made the usual insipid comment about prison population numbers. And my response, as you know, was mainly about that.

I am sick to death, beyond sick to death, of hearing about overcrowded jails and prison population numbers. Every single one of us should be demanding that we quadruple the number of prisons. We need them. They provide jobs, remove filth from the streets and allow justice to be served. Small towns absolutely love it when prisons are built nearby, correctional officers and their families bring money and the prison brings employment.

And yes, these two abusive fucks should obviously be remanded into custody, should be dragged off, handcuffed, in front of their employers, their neighbours, their friends. Because they deserve every stressful moment along the path to prison, and it matters that they are humiliated, and it matters that they receive every ounce of punishment possible all along the way.

And the excuse that prisons are just too full is not an acceptable one and should never be trotted out. Instead what we need to be saying every single time is "They should be remanded in custody and then they should serve time in prison, and to make sure of that we need more prisons. Build more prisons".

But whether they are remanded into custody or not they should of course serve prison time - although they probably won't - because justice actually matters. And it matters that it should be seen to happen too.

Speaking the truth matters.

Was just going to ask, are you are able to speak to your nephew on the phone, OP. That's really good to hear.

Why on earth do they want him back when they clearly hate the poor little guy?

It isnt her fault and that isnt what I meant by that. But to be totally blunt I think you need to be playing a more active role, because it sounds like you really do care about your parents and your nephew.

The first priority is ensuring your nephew is safe and that has happened.

Don’t underestimate the usefulness of making a financial contribution or supporting your parents emotionally.

The most important aspect of the investigation is that it results in your nephew remaining safe, and at the moment that’s in hand.

I’m so sorry @Kickpot, I really am. I have an autistic child and this has broken my heart. For some reason over the last few years child abusers have been recording themselves and whilst it seems one of the most stupid things to imagine someone doing, as well as cruel, I imagine for the prosecution it’s handy to have video evidence.
I know right now this is little comfort to you but he’s safe now. Many children die at hands of their abusers and thankfully your beautiful wee nephew is safe and loved with your parents. What wonderful parents you have. There are plenty of Sen parents on this site, if your mum needs support with the day to day of raising a Sen child here would be a good place to send her, and I’m sure if she looked at boards for adoption and fostering parents who have taken on children with trauma will be able to share their experiences and just give her a place to discuss whatever she needs to get out. You have been wonderfully generous with your financial offering. Your sister and her partner will hopefully never be allowed a child again anywhere near them.
I am so sad for your parents, they must be devastated their daughter is capable of such horrific behaviour. Your whole family must be grieving. So much love to you all and whilst this is so tragic, the ending thankfully isn’t.

Thank goodness a teacher noticed the bruising. Believe it or not mandatory safeguarding training for school staff didn't come into force until 2014. Now it's drummed into you, regardless if you're teaching staff or not.

I know it must be incredibly hard for you and your parents, not to feel guilty for not noticing. You aren't responsible for what's happened. The only people responsible is your sister and her partner.

Personally, if convicted, I don't think your sister should be allowed even supervised contact with her son. She should be striped of her parental responsibility. She's not fit to be called a Mother, let alone be one.

Thank goodness he was removed from them before he ended up dead like poor Arthur Labinjo-Hughes.

On this thread you've said you send money and lend an ear and you dont feel that is enough - and given the severity of the situation then that alone may not be enough, no. Im going on what you've said yourself, nothing more and nothing less.

I am not having a go at you, but I'm always more concerned with safeguarding a child than offending an adult. I think that's probably the correct attitude to have generally speaking.

Ive just seen this, where you've admitted that you will probably need to step up in the future. And im glad you feel that way because he will need people around him like you and your parents to get through this.