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To move DS1's school to avoid him getting excluded?

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stuckntired · 14/09/2026 20:14

I honestly dont know what to do anymore. DS1 and DS2 have just turned 15 a few weeks ago and are in year 11 and school are now talking about exclusion. I feel sick even writing that because its GCSE year and things have got so bad. Ive tried everything I can think of and nothing seems to make any difference

DS1 and DS2 are identical twins and they are very close. They dont really have friends apart from each other which used to worry me but now I actually think its making things worse. They are together all the time. They go out together sit in their room together game together and if one gets into trouble the other one is normally there making it worse. They dont seem to have anyone else to answer to really. Its just them

When they started year 7 DS1 was bright and a bit of a smart arse if Im honest. He could be cheeky and answer back but teachers liked him and he was actually interested in his work. He was good at maths and science and I remember being told he had loads of potential. DS2 was always more difficult and has always liked attention. He would mess about for a laugh and get other children going but it wasnt anything that seemed that serious then. They were both annoying at times but I never thought we would get to this

It got worse in year 8 then worse again in year 9. More detentions more arguments more emails home. DS2 was usually the one starting things and DS1 would sometimes tell him to stop but then he started joining in instead. I kept thinking they would grow out of it. Now they are in year 11 and they are both a nightmare in school. They talk over teachers make noises shout things out laugh when they are told off and refuse to do basic things. They argue about everything and take up so much teacher time. There have been detentions and isolations and now they are talking about exclusion

They both walk out of lessons if they dont like what they are being told. They have refused to hand their phones over and DS2 has sworn at teachers. DS1 has started doing it too. They wind each other up and then laugh about it. If one gets sent out the other will usually start making comments or laughing. They have been put in isolation more than once. The school keeps saying they cant keep taking teachers away from lessons to deal with them and I do understand that but I dont know how Ive ended up with two boys who think this is funny. They dont seem to care about consequences at all

DS1 is what really gets me because he was the bright one. He doesnt even do his homework anymore. If he gets good feedback or a good grade he used to get really pleased with himself but now DS2 makes comments about him being a teachers pet or being up the teachers arse and all sorts. DS1 used to get annoyed but now he laughs with him. If a teacher says something positive about DS1 DS2 will make some comment about him thinking hes clever. He seems to hate his brother doing well and I think DS1 has started avoiding doing anything that makes him stand out because of it. Its horrible because I know he can do better

I have asked school if they can put them in different classes because I think they need separating but they are both bottom set for a lot of subjects so its not really possible. Moving one up would mean putting him in a set he isnt working at and school cant just move him up to separate them. They also picked exactly the same options for GCSE which Im now thinking was probably because they wanted to be together all the time. At the time I didnt think anything of it. On Friday they had a supply teacher who didnt know them and apparently they kept swapping places and saying they were each other. She couldnt work out who was who and eventually had to call the HOY because they wouldnt stop. They thought it was hilarious

At home they are awful as well. If I ask them to do anything I get why or you cant make me and then it can go straight into swearing. They leave plates upstairs and rubbish everywhere and neither of them will do anything unless I ask over and over. They stay up gaming when they have been told to go to bed. If I take one phone the other one suddenly says its his or hides it. They both vape even though I keep taking them away. A few months ago I found out DS2 was smoking cigarettes as well. He denied it at first then basically said it was only a few. When they are grounded they just go anyway. They have climbed out of a downstairs window before because I wouldnt let them out

They are also causing trouble around the estate. They go out together and there have been complaints about banging on doors throwing eggs kicking bins shouting through letterboxes riding electric bikes where they shouldnt and going into peoples gardens. They have thrown stones at a garage door and apparently filmed some of it. I have defended them before because I thought people were blaming them for things other kids had done but Ive since found out they actually were involved in some of it. DS2 seems to enjoy getting a reaction from people and DS1 goes along with it. I dont know why they think this is funny

DS2 and girls is another thing Im really struggling with. He has always liked attention but the things Ive been told recently are not something I can just put down to being immature. He makes comments about girls bodies and has apparently carried on talking to girls after theyve told him to leave them alone. Hes shown messages from girls to other boys and one girl blocked him and he thought it was hilarious. Ive spoken to him about boundaries and consent and he tells me everyone is too sensitive and that it was a joke. DS1 has sometimes been there laughing too. Another thing I found out was DS2 took a girls bag from outside a classroom and passed it to another boy because they thought it was funny watching her look for it. She was crying apparently. I was absolutely horrified

Today I had another phone call from school. DS2 had an energy drink in class and when the teacher tried to take it off him he just walked out. DS1 followed him and they were running around the corridors laughing and refusing to come back. They were both put into isolation for the rest of the week. The problem is theres only one isolation room so school are now trying to work out something else because apparently putting them together defeats the point. They said they need to separate them somehow

Im seriously thinking about trying to move DS1 to another school. I feel like he needs getting away from DS2 before he throws everything away as well. Hes august born so Ive even wondered if I could ask if he could start year 10 again but I dont know if thats completely ridiculous. I know hes 15 and should make his own choices but I honestly think being together constantly is making both of them worse. They have no friends apart from each other and just egg each other on. Ive asked various people for help and dont seem to be getting anywhere. Im starting to worry about what theyll be like in a few years. Ive actually had a nightmare about them both being in prison which sounds dramatic but thats honestly where my head is at now

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stuckntired · 16/09/2026 14:21

AprilMizzel · 16/09/2026 14:04

I do check what I can on their phones but obviously theyre 15 and they find ways around things. I dont know what they are looking at all the time

We have you not taken them completely ? If they are asking for nudes frankly I'd be taking the phones away completely to protect them TBH.

If they are talking about exclusions - is a pupil referal unit place being suggested?

I think you can only be very frank with the school - you have no control over them - you've asked for SS and early years help - been told no - you are not coping with them nothing you say has had any effect - what if any help way forward are they suggesting because you are stuck.

They dont currently have their phones. Ive taken both of them away. Theyve been asking for them back constantly but Im not giving them back at the moment

No one has mentioned a pupil referral unit yet. I really would rather they didnt go to one tbh but if they get excluded I assume thats probably where theyll have to go for their education

I am going to be very frank with school tomorrow because I honestly dont know what else to say. Ive told them Im struggling and Ive asked for help already and nothing has really changed. I need them to tell me what they think I can actually do now because Im completely stuck

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Plasmal · 16/09/2026 18:04

@ooopsupsideyourhead i see what you are saying however whilst perhaps not very strong parenting is involved usually that wouldnt lead to near exclusion without something else eg sen.
and perhaps op is saying but, however school are as bad or worse Clearly everyone on here is saying separate the 2 its affecting all the class snd both kids and yet there they are still in the same classes.
imo there is not sufficient reply from school possible for that. The school knew there were issues for years. Setting cannot possibly be more important than separating these kids. The only excuse could be if there is only 1 class for the subject.

Also its is not either parent or school to blame it is the 2 kids! I actually find it very unhealthy that its blamed on parents these kids are 15!
The op is telling them they will go to prison and the kids dont give a crap.

And also re whether it is school fault i imagine if they could fully choose they would have expelled dc2 by now.
But i still think there is likely some sen involved which the school probably should have noticed. Adhd kids in particular do ‘enjoy’ winding people up as its dopamine.

i think though this does likely happen a lot with boys they behave ok at primary but then go off the rails at secondary but because they were so sweet and no trouble parents cant switch to being strict. My dc friends brother was like this. She will never tell him off and he has run wild at secondary, bordered on expulsion. Its because they care more what peers think than teachers. And imo lack real empathy so dont care the stress they cause teachers and parents

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 17/09/2026 08:54

@Plasmal You have hit the nail on the head about empathy. A head I know always says this is the biggest challenge with dc who have behavioural difficulties. They don’t see or comprehend how their actions affect others in a negative way. So they don’t really feel sorry if they hurt another dc or upset their parents. They don’t connect effectively with other people and are often friendless. It is a SEN and special schools exist for dc like this. There are many reasons to think these dc should have had Sen intervention much earlier but schools are not very proactive.

user1464187087 · 20/09/2026 14:57

Aydel · 15/09/2026 12:29

Sounds like piss poor parenting and a big failure on the school’s part too.

That's a bit unkind to the Op. She genuinely sounds very worried and is asking for advice.

RamenEdge · 20/09/2026 15:18

@stuckntired can I recommend finding out if there is a non-violent resistance parenting course available near you? I had a quick look and Nottingham seems to offer them through CAMHS at least. It might help you with how to approach the parenting side, it's really hard when the standard confiscating/grounding/etc approach doesn't work. NVR gives some different approaches and I have found it very helpful with my parenting. I know the name might sound wishy washy but it's actually strong on boundaries and building broken down relationships which it sounds like you could do with.

Riceball · 22/09/2026 22:30

Could they be involved with county lines?

ifonlytheydlisten · 22/09/2026 22:52

Maybe they need to fail and realise consequences

WeightLossGoal2024 · 22/09/2026 23:20

RafaistheKingofClay · 16/09/2026 14:05

Get rid of the phones and the games consoles totally if you get worn down. They’ve learnt there aren’t consequences if they wear you down. Change the WiFi password. They don’t get any of those things back until they have shown a sustained improvement in attitude and behaviour at school. At least until the end of the school year. They aren’t mature enough to handle them resoonsibly so they Donny get them. If they absolutely need a phone get one of the cheap brick phone with strong parental controls on. if they misuse those they’ll have to go too I’m afraid.

I’d suggest seeing if the school will consider a managed move to different schools. They absolutely need to be separated and need a fresh start. This will affect GCSEs but it doesn’t sound like they’ll be much better staying where they are for GCSEs.

Agree with seeing if social services would help. I think a parenting class would help at least. This is going to take a while to turn round tbh they’ve seemingly been allowed to get away with being disrespectful and a PITA for a while.

I came on to say this. All devices removed and you need to NOT give them back.

TheMadGardener · 23/09/2026 00:12

How did the meeting go with school OP?

Separating them seems essential. I know you said you didn't want them to go to a PRU, but I know a teenage boy who was absolutely turned around by a PRU. If one of them was in a PRU and the other wasn't, that would separate them.

I do agree with no smartphones. A brick phone for emergencies, calls and texts only. Get rid of the smartphones out of the house -either a friend of yours stores them at their house, or just sell/get rid. Yes they will moan and moan, but stand firm. Don't just return devices because you're sick of the moaning. If they know the phones are out of the house/you don't have them yourself any more, moaning at you will be pointless.

Them apparently having money to buy drinks, etc, when you aren't giving them any money, is concerning. Either they are involved in county lines and being paid for delivering drugs, or they are stealing money from you or someone else, or shoplifting. I hope they don't have a vulnerable grandma or some elderly relative who they are getting money from.

Do not give up on asking for help. Be very clear to school/agencies that you cannot physically restrain them and you are concerned they will be/are already involved in criminal activity.

But be consistent. Don't give in to them just because they are moaning and complaining.

Arran2024 · 23/09/2026 08:25

TheMadGardener · 23/09/2026 00:12

How did the meeting go with school OP?

Separating them seems essential. I know you said you didn't want them to go to a PRU, but I know a teenage boy who was absolutely turned around by a PRU. If one of them was in a PRU and the other wasn't, that would separate them.

I do agree with no smartphones. A brick phone for emergencies, calls and texts only. Get rid of the smartphones out of the house -either a friend of yours stores them at their house, or just sell/get rid. Yes they will moan and moan, but stand firm. Don't just return devices because you're sick of the moaning. If they know the phones are out of the house/you don't have them yourself any more, moaning at you will be pointless.

Them apparently having money to buy drinks, etc, when you aren't giving them any money, is concerning. Either they are involved in county lines and being paid for delivering drugs, or they are stealing money from you or someone else, or shoplifting. I hope they don't have a vulnerable grandma or some elderly relative who they are getting money from.

Do not give up on asking for help. Be very clear to school/agencies that you cannot physically restrain them and you are concerned they will be/are already involved in criminal activity.

But be consistent. Don't give in to them just because they are moaning and complaining.

Removing phones is probably counter productive at this stage. They will just get them from other sources and possibly get involved with organised crime.

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