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To move DS1's school to avoid him getting excluded?

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stuckntired · 14/09/2026 20:14

I honestly dont know what to do anymore. DS1 and DS2 have just turned 15 a few weeks ago and are in year 11 and school are now talking about exclusion. I feel sick even writing that because its GCSE year and things have got so bad. Ive tried everything I can think of and nothing seems to make any difference

DS1 and DS2 are identical twins and they are very close. They dont really have friends apart from each other which used to worry me but now I actually think its making things worse. They are together all the time. They go out together sit in their room together game together and if one gets into trouble the other one is normally there making it worse. They dont seem to have anyone else to answer to really. Its just them

When they started year 7 DS1 was bright and a bit of a smart arse if Im honest. He could be cheeky and answer back but teachers liked him and he was actually interested in his work. He was good at maths and science and I remember being told he had loads of potential. DS2 was always more difficult and has always liked attention. He would mess about for a laugh and get other children going but it wasnt anything that seemed that serious then. They were both annoying at times but I never thought we would get to this

It got worse in year 8 then worse again in year 9. More detentions more arguments more emails home. DS2 was usually the one starting things and DS1 would sometimes tell him to stop but then he started joining in instead. I kept thinking they would grow out of it. Now they are in year 11 and they are both a nightmare in school. They talk over teachers make noises shout things out laugh when they are told off and refuse to do basic things. They argue about everything and take up so much teacher time. There have been detentions and isolations and now they are talking about exclusion

They both walk out of lessons if they dont like what they are being told. They have refused to hand their phones over and DS2 has sworn at teachers. DS1 has started doing it too. They wind each other up and then laugh about it. If one gets sent out the other will usually start making comments or laughing. They have been put in isolation more than once. The school keeps saying they cant keep taking teachers away from lessons to deal with them and I do understand that but I dont know how Ive ended up with two boys who think this is funny. They dont seem to care about consequences at all

DS1 is what really gets me because he was the bright one. He doesnt even do his homework anymore. If he gets good feedback or a good grade he used to get really pleased with himself but now DS2 makes comments about him being a teachers pet or being up the teachers arse and all sorts. DS1 used to get annoyed but now he laughs with him. If a teacher says something positive about DS1 DS2 will make some comment about him thinking hes clever. He seems to hate his brother doing well and I think DS1 has started avoiding doing anything that makes him stand out because of it. Its horrible because I know he can do better

I have asked school if they can put them in different classes because I think they need separating but they are both bottom set for a lot of subjects so its not really possible. Moving one up would mean putting him in a set he isnt working at and school cant just move him up to separate them. They also picked exactly the same options for GCSE which Im now thinking was probably because they wanted to be together all the time. At the time I didnt think anything of it. On Friday they had a supply teacher who didnt know them and apparently they kept swapping places and saying they were each other. She couldnt work out who was who and eventually had to call the HOY because they wouldnt stop. They thought it was hilarious

At home they are awful as well. If I ask them to do anything I get why or you cant make me and then it can go straight into swearing. They leave plates upstairs and rubbish everywhere and neither of them will do anything unless I ask over and over. They stay up gaming when they have been told to go to bed. If I take one phone the other one suddenly says its his or hides it. They both vape even though I keep taking them away. A few months ago I found out DS2 was smoking cigarettes as well. He denied it at first then basically said it was only a few. When they are grounded they just go anyway. They have climbed out of a downstairs window before because I wouldnt let them out

They are also causing trouble around the estate. They go out together and there have been complaints about banging on doors throwing eggs kicking bins shouting through letterboxes riding electric bikes where they shouldnt and going into peoples gardens. They have thrown stones at a garage door and apparently filmed some of it. I have defended them before because I thought people were blaming them for things other kids had done but Ive since found out they actually were involved in some of it. DS2 seems to enjoy getting a reaction from people and DS1 goes along with it. I dont know why they think this is funny

DS2 and girls is another thing Im really struggling with. He has always liked attention but the things Ive been told recently are not something I can just put down to being immature. He makes comments about girls bodies and has apparently carried on talking to girls after theyve told him to leave them alone. Hes shown messages from girls to other boys and one girl blocked him and he thought it was hilarious. Ive spoken to him about boundaries and consent and he tells me everyone is too sensitive and that it was a joke. DS1 has sometimes been there laughing too. Another thing I found out was DS2 took a girls bag from outside a classroom and passed it to another boy because they thought it was funny watching her look for it. She was crying apparently. I was absolutely horrified

Today I had another phone call from school. DS2 had an energy drink in class and when the teacher tried to take it off him he just walked out. DS1 followed him and they were running around the corridors laughing and refusing to come back. They were both put into isolation for the rest of the week. The problem is theres only one isolation room so school are now trying to work out something else because apparently putting them together defeats the point. They said they need to separate them somehow

Im seriously thinking about trying to move DS1 to another school. I feel like he needs getting away from DS2 before he throws everything away as well. Hes august born so Ive even wondered if I could ask if he could start year 10 again but I dont know if thats completely ridiculous. I know hes 15 and should make his own choices but I honestly think being together constantly is making both of them worse. They have no friends apart from each other and just egg each other on. Ive asked various people for help and dont seem to be getting anywhere. Im starting to worry about what theyll be like in a few years. Ive actually had a nightmare about them both being in prison which sounds dramatic but thats honestly where my head is at now

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rainbowstardrops · 15/09/2026 12:00

I would definitely consider moving one of them but I’m not sure a different school would take them considering the dreadful behaviour and at this point in their education. I don’t actually know that though.
The thing is, they’ll be separated sooner or later if they carry on like this because they’ll both be in prison!
Just out of interest, where are they getting the money to vape?

sashh · 15/09/2026 12:10

Just a thought.

Do you have some saved money?

Would you consider paying them for every grade 4 or above they get? Or paying the one who gets the best results?

I know it is like rewarding bad behaviour but it might work.

Offherrockingchair · 15/09/2026 12:15

They need to learn some respect, like in an old school borstal. Enroll them in the army as soon as they hit 16. They think they’re untouchable and need to learn that actions have consequences. One of those American boot camps you see on TV?!

dustabsorber · 15/09/2026 12:24

Sounds like Ronnie and Reggie Kray

fridgefullofplums · 15/09/2026 12:25

Arrange a meeting to sit down with the school and discuss options. Ask if the Kings Trust Achieve Programme would be an option. education.kingstrust.org.uk/en/programs/achieve.
If the boys are embarrassing you with their behaviour, time to turn that round. Will the school support you if you tell the boys you will be coming into class every day and sitting with them, to make sure they behave? Consistency is key here. They need to understand that things will be changing from today - and you must absolutely stick to that, even when its hard. Get the school on side, so both you and the school are presenting a completely united front.

Aydel · 15/09/2026 12:29

Sounds like piss poor parenting and a big failure on the school’s part too.

fridgefullofplums · 15/09/2026 12:31

Also, if they are now playing the fool in class because they have got themselves so far behind that they are expecting to fail - that needs to be addressed. The Kings Trust Achieve Programme could help with that, but talk to the school about realistic goals, and what can be done to support them to achieve those goals. The boys need to know that help is available and that the future can be turned around. It sounds like at the moment they are not seeing any positive future for themselves and they have given up trying. If you can work with the school to set up some 1-2-1 visits for them, with possible employers, they might start to be a to see a future beyond what's happening at school/home.

FishFry · 15/09/2026 12:38

No advice really but I am sorry to hear you are going through this. I really feel for you.

stuckntired · 15/09/2026 12:46

I have really tried with them honestly. I know some people think Ive just let them get away with everything but I havent. Ive tried different consequences Ive taken things away Ive grounded them and Ive tried working with school as well. Ive had so many meetings with them and Ive followed what theyve suggested. Its just getting to the point where nothing seems to work for very long

I dont give them pocket money and they get free school meals so they dont need money for lunch. They have stolen money before though but not for a while. I dont normally have much cash in the house anymore so theres not really anything for them to take. They did steal alcohol from me over the summer holidays though which was another thing I had to deal with

The vapes I take off them when I find them but then they somehow get another one from god knows where. Ive no idea where they are getting them from and Ive asked them and obviously they just deny knowing anything about it. Its like as soon as I take something away another one appears

I do know a school is unlikely to want to take either of them in year 11. Thats why I was thinking about asking whether one or both could restart year 10 instead. I dont know if thats even something that would be considered but I feel like Ive got to look at every option now.

I know people think this is all down to parenting and Im not saying Ive done everything right because clearly I havent. But I really have tried with them and I dont know what else I can do on my own

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Gymnopedie · 15/09/2026 12:52

OP do you have other children? You haven't mentioned any, and I hope you don't, but if you do - and they're younger - then really serious action would be needed.

Didimum · 15/09/2026 12:54

I have twins and I understand the dynamic. It's very difficult. A lot of the time twins do not seek approval or attention from anyone else other than each other, which makes parenting extremely challenging from a very young age.

Understanding this dynamic, I would definitely move one into another school in order to split them up for the majority of the day. Which ones to move is tricky – moving DS1 might effect his mental health less and he would be more likely to shape up faster, whereas moving DS2 might make him worse as it is ostracising him even more.

However DS2 might need a complete change of environment to enable change.

Sorry I don't believe in grounding and removing privileges willy nilly, even at 15 – I think that sort of stuff can be put in place, but it needs much more careful consideration opposed to doing it to 'punish'.

PullingOutHair123 · 15/09/2026 12:54

From what you've typed, if I was going to move one it would be DS2.

If DS1 has any brains, he will do better in a setting he knows with teaches who know him. If DS2 is likely to flunk, he might as well do that elsewhere and let his brother stand half a chance.

That's assuming they don't just both bunk off school to spend the day together.

What do they want to do after their GCSE's? Assuming they have given it any thought what so ever.

They seem so heavily reliant on each other for everything which doesn't seem like a great idea - and easy though this is to type, they have to look elsewhere other than each other. Even if one gets a serious girlfriend the triangulation and potential fall out could be awful. Not sure how you force them apart, unless they have separate schools and even that's not a given.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 15/09/2026 12:55

@fridgefullofplums The problem
id that dc like this don’t know what the future could be or is. They are not mature enough to grasp the consequences of their actions. That’s why they ignore everyone and trash relationships. They are not going to understand that you need to lay foundations if you want anything out of life. They are stuck with op and she’s stuck with them. It’s very frightening for her I think.

The only possible chink might be a college or training centre for vocational training. They probably have no idea what they want to do and are close to being NEETS.

Octavia64 · 15/09/2026 13:05

Schools won’t let kids go out of year because they are measured on how many GCSE’s the students get at the age of 16. A private school might permit a restart but given they’re on free school meals I presume you don’t have the money.

in all honesty about the only thing that wakes up kids like this is doing badly at GCSEs and seeing the rest of their friends/year group moving on.

if they were at risk from county lines or similar social or the police would be aware and they do have programmes for teens in that situation.

I’d suggest that you focus on keeping them out of (big) trouble as much as possible.

in a year they could be at college. If you can go to open days and similar to help them start to see what they might want to do it may help.

fashionqueen0123 · 15/09/2026 13:07

I agree with above move DS2 and see if DS1 gets on better. You need to start ringing schools now.

oviraptor21 · 15/09/2026 13:08

stuckntired · 14/09/2026 22:58

No its not a particularly small school theres quite a lot of pupils there. They just know what lesson the other one is meant to be in and which teacher etc so if one of them has been told off or walked out they will just wander around until they find the other one

Theyve done it before when they were in different sets. One would just leave their own lesson and go looking and somehow they always managed to find each other. Then theyd be messing about outside the other ones classroom or trying to get their attention through the door

I dont know how they manage it really but they seem to know exactly where the other one is most of the time

Its just me as their dad isnt involved so there isnt anyone else here to deal with it either

How long has their Dad been out of the picture? What kind of role model was he? Is there any way he could be involved again? (I imagine unlikely but you never know).

Do the boys have any other male figures in their lives? Could they be asked to be more active?

Maybe some kind of counselling would be appropriate for both boys. These sound to me like two boys who are dealing with issues they have in inappropriate ways which are validated and compounded by their twin.

babyproblems · 15/09/2026 13:08

What are the consequences for them for this behavior?
Id separate them.
No mention of dad - any males close by?
They need a huge wake up call or this will escalate…

RedToothBrush · 15/09/2026 13:14

Itsbeenalongtimeincoming · 14/09/2026 21:13

OP I am curious to know why you think this is the schools problem? This is a parenting problem that has been left way too late.

This clearly has been going to for years and your children don’t seem to have any consequences or parenting.

Take away their phones permanently. They wear you down? Too bad thats what being a parent means - setting boundaries and staying with them.

When they are next out I would strip their rooms - no consoles, no screens, no tv, vape removed etc. Anything they may enjoy. Read them the riot act and stick to it.

Honestly.

This.

Changing schools at this point isn't going to change anything. I don't see what you are seeking to achieve.

More likely they will just refuse to go to school altogether, especially if they are separated.

It's clearly a problem that should have been dealt with years ago with them being separated.

Realising it's an issue now, means there are very few options left. You will struggle to find another school doing the same subjects and curriculum and you will struggle to get them to go.

They need consequences. Being expelled is one.

Being expelled might option up alternative options and support because the local authority will still require them in education.

You need actually stop pretending there isn't a problem/ swooping in to save them from expulsion. Your failure to address things sooner is a major contributor to where you are now.

Let them get expelled.

Arran2024 · 15/09/2026 13:40

While social services won't get involved, there should be a service in your LA for at risk teens. Have a look at your local authority website under 'local offer' or 'children's services'. It should be listed there.

stuckntired · 15/09/2026 14:11

Im not pretending theres no problem. I know theres a massive problem and Ive known that for a while now. I just dont want them expelled because then what happens. Theyll probably end up in a PRU and Im honestly worried theyll just get in with even more boys who are already in trouble. I can imagine them both causing trouble there and it being the two of them against another group of boys who are also looking for trouble. They egg each other on as it is

Ive read about what happens to children who are excluded and the statistics around them ending up in prison later on and honestly it just makes me feel like thats where this is heading. I know thats probably me catastrophising but when youre already dealing with all this its hard not to think about where it could end up

They havent really said what they want to do after GCSEs. I ask them and they just shrug or say they dont know. They both used to be really into music though. DS1 played guitar and they used to talk about being in a band together or doing something with music. I dont know how serious they ever were about it or whether it was just one of those things teenagers talk about because they like music but they havent talked about it for ages now

I dont know if moving DS2 would actually work and if another school would want him

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cramptramp · 15/09/2026 14:25

You’ll find it very difficult to move them anywhere in Y11. Especially if they are at risk of exclusion.

cramptramp · 15/09/2026 14:28

You give them their phones and controllers back? There is one of the causes of this. Lack of consequences.

dreamingofgoodhair · 15/09/2026 14:30

Agapornis · 14/09/2026 22:43

Army/navy/air force cadets? They need an external hobby with discipline. I'd also ask the police whether they have any prevention programmes.

Split them up, surely you'd rather they're lonely for a bit, than creepily unhealthily enmeshed for the rest of their lives who can't live independently.

Yes or a local boxing club? or martial arts.

cutitopen · 15/09/2026 14:33

I’d move him

TheJuryIsOut · 15/09/2026 14:34

Unfortunately I think this is the result of you not taking their behaviour seriously when they were younger and nipping it in the bud.

I'd let them be excluded and sent to a pru to be honest. And I'd take their phones, games consoles and everything else