Aibu feeling uneasy about men taking little girls to the toilet in the womens toilet?

So if I decide it is better for my teenage son to be in the women’s then that is ok because I as a parent can decide why is best for my child?

Do you realise than men look after young children all the time ? It’s not remotely unusual for a man to walk through a shopping centre with young female daughters . It’s commonplace . And it’s common for young children to need the toilet asap. A man with a young child in the women’s toilets is highly unusual . So unusual I’ve never seen it in my entire life despite having used public toilets for 37 years

Okay so you don’t care about the principle of single sex spaces. Why aren’t more people requesting family bathrooms or single self contained cubicles with basin?

Women are the ones who are inconvenienced at best and put in danger at worst.

I've obviously no idea what the actual man's rationale that the OP refers it was.

Going from previous posts it seems plenty of women do in fact dare to ask men to leave.

The people that have the view that a man has no place in a women's toilet, even when accompanying his young daughter all seems to be coming from the same view point that it totally goes against the grain and the majority of women are outraged by his presence. As I've said twice already on this thread the results of the poll suggest otherwise. It was a clear 50/50 divide of opinions.

It can’t be completely unacceptable as many disabled toilets are where the baby changing facilities are.

No, please don't misquote me. I never said I don't care about the principle of single sex spaces. I said I don't care ( as in mind) about young boys being brought into women's changing areas if that's what their mum's feel is best for them.

I can't answer for others as to why they aren't campaigning for self contained family toilets.....

Personally I'm not, as trying to get more Changing Places toilets is more of a priority for me, as that has a greater impact on my personal family situation.

I didn't bloddy consent for others, where you get this from? What do you think that my opinion on Mumsnet is going to become law? I said it wouldn't bother me. So what is she encounters a man? There are male cleaners as well, what a dad with a child with him do to a teenager? What a weird world we actually live in!

Wouldn't care at all, providing he's not pretending to be female or clearly getting any sort of sexual pleasure out of being there.

Yeah go for it. If that's truly what you think is best for your son, rather than just trying to prove a point I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. I know plenty of women with SEN sons that are faced with that same dilemma.

Exactly!

so you advocate for mixed sex bathrooms In General then? As that is what you are suggesting. A 17 year old is basically an adult male and you think it’s ok for them to be in the women’s bathrooms as long as a parent thinks it is reasonable? No Sen involved at all but totally fine? This whole thread is bizarre.

Wouldn't it be great though, that you could bring about a change in the law just by expressing an opinion on Mumsnet. 🤣

Womens loos are cubicles, are men’s loos also cubicles or are there urinals as well? As a mother of a little girl I’d rather see men with their young daughters in the female toilets if the other option is taking little girls into the men’s where urinals are in operation. Without a doubt.

So if your 17 hasn't any SEN and all is fine why would you feel the need for him to be in the women's toilets. And why would you be accompanying him?

Why wouldn’t they use the accessible toilets if available? Isn’t that kind of the point of them?

Assuming they are available (obvs) then where is the dilemma? You can’t take a male teen into the ladies toilets.

Oh for heaven’s sake. We could also argue that it’s wrong to use the disabled loo. What is the father meant to do? Seriously, what?

use the mens! Plenty of us got taken into the mens by our dads when we were younger and suffered no ill effects. We were with our dads. No risk whatsoever.

Have you ever seen a line of men at the urinals? You would have to look very hard to actually see anything. And as the child would be with her father then he can make sure she doesn’t look anyway.

Once a child is school aged (assuming no SEN) then they can go in the toilet of their sex. In the event of an emergency then of course a parent of the opposite sex can enter but if a father wants to accompany his daughter into the toilets then he should take her into the men’s.

Use the men’s. There is even a clue in the name of the facility.

I swear most people on here have never seen men at a urinal. Nobody is waving their cocks about.

Exactly, accessible toilets aren't always available. Hence the dilemma of what to do with a vulnerable teen son with SEN who needs to use the toilet. Many things in live aren't black and white!

Why would I have seen a line of men at urinals.

I was stating my opinion and preference🤷🏼‍♀️. It wouldn’t bother me one bit if I encountered a man with his young daughter in the women’s loo. I don’t get why it would be a bother, they’re clearly there for a specific reason, not just loitering in there to be a perv. School age I probably would care less about my daughter going into the men’s, but as she is still very small, I’d prefer her dad to take her into the women’s as for a start, generally - they are far cleaner.

DH brings DD into the men's toilets, if there are men using the urinals she might see the back of their trousers.

Accessible loos should not be taken up by people who just don't want bring their child to the appropriate toilet for the adult they are with. Generally, there should be more accessible toilets, and baby change facilities with toilets, as in not just plonking the changing tables in the only toilet that some adults can access. Baby change tables need to be in both men's and women's toilets, if we're somewhere new it's interesting to see where is moving with the times and providing good toilet facilities.
Though as @Duckduckgander has said above, many more Changing Places are needed.

Ah yes - so women have to put up with a strange man in the ladies because his fellow men are dirty bastards. And also because some of them are dangerous.

Men aren’t sitting around with it all hanging out - most of them go in, pee as quickly and discreetly as possible and bugger off (sometimes after washing their hands.

Surely at school age the girls would be able to go in the ladies by themselves anyway.

But it wouldn’t be acceptable for a woman to bring a grown man into the ladies, even with SEN.

And no one has their fanny out in the women’s