Aibu feeling uneasy about men taking little girls to the toilet in the womens toilet?

Sorry I don’t understand. Can you explain

Child A is 9. Out with grandfather, who sends her to the ladies alone. No one else is in there
Child B is 6. Dad decides he needs to go into Ladies with her.

Which child is more vulnerable now?
Its not just adult somen in the Ladies, its other unaccompained children who are put in a vulnerable position.

Good, I'm glad to see woman showing understanding and support. I just feel that should also be extended to young girls.

I personally wouldn't bat an eyelid to find someone undressed drying their clothes. I'd just think crack on, far better to do that than to have to cut your night short.

But I tend to not get my own knickers in a twist if something happens that's slightly out of the norm, such as god forbid a man be in the women's toilets with their young daughter.

The single sex women's toilets in The Filmhouse Edinburgh Bar are revolting. They were horrible before the refurbishment and appear to have escaped the refurb.

I very much believe I would.

Her daughter was never taken to the women's toilets by a man. She's already said that.

So it’s fine for little boys to be in there then ? What is the difference. Do you think little boys are fine to be subjected to this “perceived “ filth ? Should adult men take their little boys into the women’s as well to protect them ? Or do you assume that little boys are fine with that

Well I must have misunderstood then . Apologies if I misread this particular poster

Crack on. We loathed those toilets. You haven't changed my mind.

Most children become aware of their gender between 2 to 3 and start to develop some self consciousness and awareness of social norms surrounding gender around 4 to 5.

Doesn't bother me at all. Unless you piss with the door open, what does it matter? What's going to happen to you? I'd rather see a little girl in a woman's toilet then in a man's toilet, don't care who is helping the girl. What is the difference between a father with a child and a male cleaner? Why one is not ok and one is?

Yup wouldn’t have a problem with a man in with a young daughter in the women’s. Never seen anyone in real life do anything other than smile at the child tbh!!

Assuming the littlr girl is accompanied by an adult, of course. What do you mean strange man? Strange as in weird? Why a little girl should be afraid of a father with their daughter?

i have never seen a man in the toilet with a child in real life . I assume the reason for that is because men bring their children to the men’s toilets as it should be

It would bother me. Young children who need help are accompanied by the parent to the toilet that corresponds to the parents sex. Or the opposite sex parent waits outside and sends them in alone. I assume the men would not be very comfortable with women accompanying their young sons into the mens toilets.

She has changed mine :)

Once you know about it, it is obvious.

Fully closed design means that someone with a health issue won't be found for too long.

Fully closed design means, that if somone gets attacked in it, they won't be heard.

Those are very specific safety concerns which can be resolved with gaps at single sex design.
In fully enclosed, the only solution would be an attendant observing the shared area between cubicles and noticing people not coming out.

I haven't either.

Good for you. I never used to have an issue with it but I would protest it because I don’t have the right to assume the consent of every other woman.

I would be surprised if you saw anyone say or do anything negative - because of the potential risk to themselves. So just because people don’t look bothered, it doesn’t mean they are fine with it.

Opinions are less important than facts.

Yes but not enough to care in the way teenagers do . Do you think women should not being 4 and 5 year old boys into the womens changing rooms for this reason ?

I find it strange that you have such strong feelings relating to a man taking his daughter to a woman's toilet, when it's a situation that you've never actually been in. Maybe the fact that a man taking his daughter to the woman's toilets does happen so infrequently should indicate to women that it's not a decision that he made lightly or merely done to trample over the rights of women. That a considered decision was made as to what was right for their particular circumstances.

Actually I have absolutely been in this situation having grown up in a household of all female children with a male doing nearly all of the caring .

How was it considered? He knew he would be able to do it and nobody would dare speak to him or ask him to leave. And if he has a daughter, it’s about time he started thinking about the rights of women and girls to single sex spaces.

Why didn’t he take her into the men’s? Why was it okay to potentially make women and girls uncomfortable (and in some cases unable to stay in there potentially)?

But you don’t get to consent for others, even if you are okay with it.

I wonder how he would react when his daughter is older if she encounters a man in the ladies?

No, I really couldn't care less about young boys being in women's changing rooms or toilets. I merely answered your question with regards to child development

I have a far less dogmatic outlook on what should it shouldn't happen. Within reason I feel people need to decide what's best for their own children.

Actually that's not strictly speaking true, I'd actually be quite concerned to think of a young boy being left alone in a male changing room or toilet. I'd consider it unwise for a parent to allow that. They're far too vulnerable at that age.