Breastfeeding is now chestfeeding, Brighton’s trans-friendly midwives are told

[Mulletsaremisunderstood]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/breastfeeding-is-now-chestfeeding-brightons-trans-friendly-midwives-are-told-pwlvmcnc7

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More nonsense being peddled as 'progressive' . When will the madness end!!?

[Changethetoner]

Fair enough to modify their language IF there is a "man" who is attempting to feed their own baby -but why offend the 99.9% of women who are trying to do it. Ridiculous nonsense.

[babybabyMilkno]

I don’t understand sorry if I put this clumsily and offend anyone
I have asd so do that a lot

Why does it need to change? Men and women have breasts ? Men and women have chests but you feed from breasts? Men and women can both get breast cancer too so why does it need to change when anatomically both have chests and breasts just women have breasts that produce milk (but can’t some men I’ve read)
I don’t know it’s just confusing

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Performative wokery. Female erasure.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Chestfeeding isn't a neutral term.

[PanamaPattie]

I agree with PP, men and women have breasts and nipples. Breastfeeding suits all?

[AfternoonToffee]

I have read some of the comments on the FB Times article. I could cry. Women are happily throwing others under a bus just to appease a tiny minority.

[Jumpintothefire]

Ffs that's appalling

[merrymouse]

@babybabyMilkno

I don’t understand sorry if I put this clumsily and offend anyone
I have asd so do that a lot

Why does it need to change? Men and women have breasts ? Men and women have chests but you feed from breasts? Men and women can both get breast cancer too so why does it need to change when anatomically both have chests and breasts just women have breasts that produce milk (but can’t some men I’ve read)
I don’t know it’s just confusing

Exactly - why is ‘breast’ feeding upsetting if men also have breasts and women have chests?

[Covidcorvid]

I can’t read the whole article.

But from what I can read I’m fairly annoyed.

I’m a midwife, we’ve been approached by TRAs telling us to modify our official language in such ways, we’ve always refused. We offer women centred care and 99.9% of our service users identify as women.

Of course we would “be kind” if we had an individual who didn’t identify as a woman. We would happily use their preferred pronouns, whatever name they wanted and refer to them as a man, use the term chest feeding, etc.

But we are not taking language away in official policies, etc. Words matter.

[Dancingrandomly]

@babybabyMilkno

I don’t understand sorry if I put this clumsily and offend anyone
I have asd so do that a lot

Why does it need to change? Men and women have breasts ? Men and women have chests but you feed from breasts? Men and women can both get breast cancer too so why does it need to change when anatomically both have chests and breasts just women have breasts that produce milk (but can’t some men I’ve read)
I don’t know it’s just confusing

I have often wondered about this too. Men have breast tissue and can get breast cancer. So using the word "chestfeeding" isn't logical in any sense (apart from being another "win" in the the erasure of women perhaps).

[gardenbird48]

this is so awful, I'm running out of words.

[PerpetuallyUnderwhelmed]

My god, why were there no objections during the presumably lengthy process to approve this?!

Comments on The Times article are gratifying at least.

[Dancingrandomly]

@Covidcorvid

I can’t read the whole article.

But from what I can read I’m fairly annoyed.

I’m a midwife, we’ve been approached by TRAs telling us to modify our official language in such ways, we’ve always refused. We offer women centred care and 99.9% of our service users identify as women.

Of course we would “be kind” if we had an individual who didn’t identify as a woman. We would happily use their preferred pronouns, whatever name they wanted and refer to them as a man, use the term chest feeding, etc.

But we are not taking language away in official policies, etc. Words matter.

That great to read Covidcorvid.

[merrymouse]

From the report:

“We also recognise that there is currently biological essentialism and transphobia present within elements of mainstream birth narratives and discourse”

Biological essentialism????

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Stupid TRA language.

[Mulletsaremisunderstood]

@merrymouse

From the report:

“We also recognise that there is currently biological essentialism and transphobia present within elements of mainstream birth narratives and discourse”

Biological essentialism????

Yeah, what does biological essentialism even mean? Believing in biology?

It reads like some TRA propaganda leaflet.

[Coconutfatfeast]

The hospital I gave birth at refer to breastfeeding as chestfeeding on their Facebook page and refuse to use the words woman/mother on any of their social media. They use birthing parent. I’m not a birthing parent, I’m a mother!!!

[nicky7654]

Hilarious 😆

[Covidcorvid]

@Coconutfatfeast

The hospital I gave birth at refer to breastfeeding as chestfeeding on their Facebook page and refuse to use the words woman/mother on any of their social media. They use birthing parent. I’m not a birthing parent, I’m a mother!!!

I wish women would comment to this effect on all such fb posts. Non stop.

[Ireallywantsomechips]

This is a sincere question which is probably hugely offensive to some but I genuinely don’t understand.

If you do not identify as a woman but are using the biologically female parts of you to reproduce is that not somewhat hypocritical?

[PerpetuallyUnderwhelmed]

Of course it is hypocritical but you're not allowed to say that. Or you are too stupid to understand the vagaries of gender identity

[merrymouse]

It’s just another way of telling women that there is something wrong with them because they have breasts.

Given that breast and chest are often used interchangeably, the only possible reasoning can be that there is something distasteful about using a word that has more recently been more associated with women’s bodies.

Of course the NHS should be sensitive to people who suffer from dysphoria, but that shouldn’t mean normalising it for everyone else.

[Moirarose2021]

It's nonscence, if you are that triggered my female words/pronouns, how can you cope getting pregnant, pregnancy and birth?

[Thisistherhythmofthenight]

They may identify as a man and thats fine but biologically they are female hence why they can carry and birth a child. Get a bit tired of the whole men menstruate too stuff. No, no you fucking don't.

[Covidcorvid]

The news story has hit the daily mail now and from reading that they say it’s an extra word. So the term will now be breast or chest feeding. They will talk about woman or birthing person depending on the individual. They will add alternative phrases to their policies, etc. But they won’t remove original terms. Which seems a lot better.