Breastfeeding is now chestfeeding, Brighton’s trans-friendly midwives are told

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/breastfeeding-is-now-chestfeeding-brightons-trans-friendly-midwives-are-told-pwlvmcnc7

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More nonsense being peddled as 'progressive' . When will the madness end!!?

Calling it 'chestfeeding' isn't inclusive - it's incorrect biology and an undermining of women.

This is what is so damaging. I don’t think any woman finds the process of pregnancy and breast feeding easy and I think it usually involves a loss of self. It’s pretty much built into the process, whether it’s legal loss of control, physical changes, or being told not to drink coffee or the reality of child birth.

Now women are being asked to accept that their body parts and the physical processes they go through are disturbing and disgusting.

I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised because all this has happened before.

It is so, so wrong.

I still can’t get past a world that thinks sexist stereotypes should be adhered to in order to “live as a woman” but finds it just fine to “live as a man” by getting pregnant

I don't understand why any woman would want to be a man. I even more don't understand why such a person then decides to get pregnant.

I don’t understand how anyone who has rejected womanhood, can go through pregnancy and birth but find words - which they will encounter everyday - upsetting.

I agree with PPs- this isn’t about TM. If it was, having specific literature tailored to them with women’s words left for the majority would be sufficient. But it’s not. The purpose is to untether womanhood from female biology and procreation.

And we know who benefits - not women.

Agree with PPs that even if wanting to be ‘inclusive’ in, biological men AND women have breasts, so ‘breastfeeding’ works fine.

And as PPs point out ‘chestfeeding’ is not ‘friendly’ or ‘inclusive’ to women.

There is a lot of vocabulary about pregnancy and childbirth that is only related to natal women. They got concerned about beast, but not cervix, contractions, uterus, placenta...?

@AfternoonToffee

I have read some of the comments on the FB Times article. I could cry. Women are happily throwing others under a bus just to appease a tiny minority.

Now well over 1000 comments and I think it's safe to say the majority of Times readers are not on board with the erasure of women!

More Mumsnet transphobia. It seems to be becoming a daily occurrance. Live and let live.

Have they also changed the words for uterus, vagina, cervix etc? It must be very difficult to support a woman (person) during pregnancy and birth without using words for female anatomy.

@Kitfish

More Mumsnet transphobia. It seems to be becoming a daily occurrance. Live and let live.

Oh look a drive by plopped reeking of gynephobia. Why do you hate women so much you won't even let us name ourselves and talk about our own lived experiences, @Kitfish?

Sorry 1womanwonder I should have read your post before replying!

@rawalpindithelabrador

Like Milkno, my neurodiv son is confused AF about this type of ridiculous forced thoughtpolice speak. And can you imagine if English isn't your first language? But who cares about disabled people and immigrants, MEN are all that matters.

Saw one leaflet that referred to mothers are 'birthing bodies'. Fuck off.

Plus the 16 percent of British adults with very poor literacy skills.

@Frogartist No worries. I think we are singing from the same hymn sheet!

@CaraDuneReduxI don't hate women. I hate bigotry. It's depressing listening to you all acting like a baying mob.

It's odd. Victorian novels can refer to a man clasping a woman to his breast; they can speak of a woman "wanting to talk to someone of her own sex", but in the 21st century, midwives, MPs and others are getting awkward and coy. They'll be covering the legs of pianos next lest there are gender difference between a Baby Grand and a Steinway...

[quote Kitfish]@CaraDuneReduxI don't hate women. I hate bigotry. It's depressing listening to you all acting like a baying mob.[/quote]
A baying mob? Because we want to be called what we are and we want to use the correct names for our own body parts?

Where's the baying mob? There's quite a strict moderation policy on this board. If you feel that a post is transphobic, you can report it, rather than jumping into a thread simply to sneer at women who are discussing an issue relating to their own medical care.

@Kitfish

More Mumsnet transphobia. It seems to be becoming a daily occurrance. Live and let live.

Biology is not a phobia. It just is.

Hmm, no woman hating...

Let me see:
Menstruators
Birthing bodies
Chest feeders

Could the language be any more de-humanising if they tried?

Nope, I don't think it could.

But apparently this is not woman hating, because Kitfish has arrived to woke-scold us all and tell us off for not wanting to choose the language used to describe us and our lived experience.

Women aren't afforded that privilege you see. Only special people are allowed to choose the language used to describe themselves, and women, historically and geographically, have never been in the category of "special people."

More Mumsnet transphobia.

Not erasing any mention of females is transphobia? No, that would be objecting to gynephobia. What is transphobic please about asking that women AND other terms are used instead of just excluding and replacing all female words?

Live and let live.

Yeah that needs to be reciprocal to work. Let females have their words, add in other words, that's the live and the let live part. Erasing female words is not letting live. That's give and shut up. You can't really expect female people to think that's fun for them.

Anyone else smiling wryly at 'baying mob'?

Oh the drama. Look on Twitter, love. Get a bit of a sense of proportion.

As other posters have said. Chest feeding makes 0 sense and both sexes have breast tissue. Women aren't allowed anything anymore, heaven forbid we should offend what must be a tiny minory. Anyway anyone one breast feeding is of the female sex no matter what 'gender' they identify with.

I'd prefer it if healthcare professionals put their energy into actually helping women.

Then maybe I wouldn't have been told on day 2 that my DD had no tongue tie, then to suffer two months of agony only to finally discover she in fact had a very severe tongue tie. Up to 24 feeds a day of what felt like rusty knives sawing into my nipples. Because I'm a woman.

Then maybe I wouldn't have been told on day 2 that my DD had no tongue tie, then to suffer two months of agony only to finally discover she in fact had a very severe tongue tie. Up to 24 feeds a day of what felt like rusty knives sawing into my nipples. Because I'm a woman.

Or get told DS did have a tongue tie, but they didn't do anything about it in my trust, but could give me the address of a private practice in the next county where I could get it done (as a single parent, with no car, recovering from a C Section - yes, that was really fucking useful).

But as you say, just women's healthcare, who gives a shit?

And - note to the woke - rebranding it as "perinatal health care" won't change anything because the people in power know who are the women, and who are the men.

Hmm, what did I have cancer in then? Two figments of the imagination?