Breastfeeding is now chestfeeding, Brighton’s trans-friendly midwives are told

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/breastfeeding-is-now-chestfeeding-brightons-trans-friendly-midwives-are-told-pwlvmcnc7

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More nonsense being peddled as 'progressive' . When will the madness end!!?

Like Milkno, my neurodiv son is confused AF about this type of ridiculous forced thoughtpolice speak. And can you imagine if English isn't your first language? But who cares about disabled people and immigrants, MEN are all that matters.

Saw one leaflet that referred to mothers are 'birthing bodies'. Fuck off.

Isn't it interesting how showing proper respect for inclusive language means explicitly and overtly excluding females?

There is a line between transphobia and gynephobia. We need to start holding institutions like this accountable for a) realising that line even exists, and b) keeping that line.

*Crosspost with Covid - that's holding the line. Both words, all mentioned, that's fine.

@MichelleofzeResistance

Isn't it interesting how showing proper respect for inclusive language means explicitly and overtly excluding females?

There is a line between transphobia and gynephobia. We need to start holding institutions like this accountable for a) realising that line even exists, and b) keeping that line.

Yep! What about our fucking pronouns? Oh, that's right, you don't get to have them anymore, she, her, woman, erased. Because your very biology and genome and the organs your genetic humanity has created are offensive to some men and they and their feelings come first.

I breastfed with my breasts which produced breast milk.

Men and women have breasts (as do robins and chickens and people who breast their way through the crowd or waves.

What is chest-milk?

Do people feel a bit breasty when they cough?

Men aren't so fragile that they're demanding male breast cancer be called "chest cancer" to appease their egos and keep them from killing themselves over how insulting it is to be reminded they have breasts.

I don't understand why trans men want to be treated different from any other men. When men have something happening with their breasts, their male breasts, they're called "breasts."

@AfternoonToffee

I have read some of the comments on the FB Times article. I could cry. Women are happily throwing others under a bus just to appease a tiny minority.

The Times btl comments overwhelmingly think this is nonsense.

WTF?! The world has gone mad! How did all this erasure of women start?

So sick of this.

Womb this is not about or coming from transmen. This is primarily about separating the concept of woman from biology, and not for the benefit of anyone born female.

@Covidcorvid

The news story has hit the daily mail now and from reading that they say it’s an extra word. So the term will now be breast or chest feeding. They will talk about woman or birthing person depending on the individual. They will add alternative phrases to their policies, etc. But they won’t remove original terms. Which seems a lot better.

That tbh, seems fair enough. I don't understand why any woman would want to be a man. I even more don't understand why such a person then decides to get pregnant. But I'm assuming that in that situation such a person might have issues with language so if the other words are retained I wouldn't object to adding words.

@MichelleofzeResistance

Womb this is not about or coming from transmen. This is primarily about separating the concept of woman from biology, and not for the benefit of anyone born female.

I wouldn't bet on that. Did you not see the documentary about the 2 transmen (both indistinguishable visually from very pretty, women) one of whom had a hissy fit about being called she/ mother etc.

Freddie McConnell would be all for this.

Wonderful. Another way to alienate women from their bodies. It’s very much about dehumanising mother’s, pregnancy and birth, which is the start of a terrifying route indeed.

I am hoping someone reads this who may be intending to chest feed and considers the impact of their actions on the child they are bringing into the world. Selfish does not even begin to cover it.

This is beyond absurd. I can imagine it now... A heavily-pregnant woman arrives screaming in the delivery room and a nurse with a clipboard timidly asks: "So, in this moment would you say you feel more like a man or a woman? Or perhaps a two-spirit person? ..."

This is absurd. Chests are the interior. Breasts are the external tissue. Both women and men have breast tissue; that is a gender neutral term already - we don't call Men's breast cancer 'chest cancer' because that's a different part of the body. Calling it 'chestfeeding' isn't inclusive - it's incorrect biology and an undermining of women.

Don't men swim breast stroke?

Is it April the first already? This is so ridiculous it is beyond stupid. To avoid the risk of offending a very small number of people someone has decided that mothers and/ or women don’t count at all?

I don't think any longer it is to avoid offending people. I think the real reason is to piss women off and negate lived experience. I am trying to not let it get to me, but that would be mean completely looking the other way while this complete affrontery carries on regardless. It is bullying and abuse.

Why only breastfeeding? I assume it’s been changed because breasts are seen as female only things.
Do they also change uterus (baby pouch, perhaps?), vagina and cervix? Those are far more female-specific. I never hear about those terms being changed but am genuinely confused by someone wanting the word breastfeeding to change, but not vagina.
Maybe those terms also have “neutral” alternatives that I’m not aware of?

I just don't get how we've become a society where we'd rather alienate the 99.9999% of service users than risk offending the 0.0001% that have some issue with the existing language. If you're that tiny a minority why should you get priority? Of course you want to be inclusive and not offend any individuals that are in that minority, but going so hard the other way is not inclusive to the vast majority of your service users. Nuts.

What I'm confused about is that it says the midwives specialising in this can offer the person (well, woman if we are following biology which you hope healthcare professionals would), appointments at home if it's easier for them, extra support at scans etc, why isn't this available for all? If you identify as a man you can get more care and support during your pregnancy, fucking madness.

I hate the DM, but a lot of the comments are calling it out for being ridiculous.

Breast tissue is what makes milk. You can't breastfeed without breast tissue or mammary glands. So it's breastfeeding or possibly mammary feeding if you're really pushing it. It's not chest feeding, your chest is more than just the breast area.

@MichelleofzeResistance

Isn't it interesting how showing proper respect for inclusive language means explicitly and overtly excluding females?

There is a line between transphobia and gynephobia. We need to start holding institutions like this accountable for a) realising that line even exists, and b) keeping that line.

Hey is gynephobia a legit word then? If so I'm going to use it. I like it. 👍