This never happens: male offenders in female prisons

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www.thesun.co.uk/news/6804433/transgender-lag-sexually-abused-four-female-prisoners-days-after-arriving-at-west-yorkshire-jail/

A TRANSGENDER prisoner has been accused of sexually assaulting four female inmates after being sent to a women’s prison.

The first of the alleged attacks took place within days of her arriving at New Hall jail, Wakefield, West Yorkshire.

The inmate was sent there despite not having had gender reassignment surgery.

It is claimed she was visibly aroused when she allegedly assaulted the first inmate.

She was originally sent on remand to New Hall women’s prison after a judge heard how she had been living as a female for more than two years.

The alleged attacks will reignite the debate over whether transgender prisoners should be sent to women’s jails before they have had surgery.

It is claimed the first attack ­happened within days of the transgender prisoner’s arrival at high-security New Hall, Wakefield, West Yorks.

The alleged victim — an inmate with whom she had struck up a friendship — said the remand prisoner stood close to her and touched her arm while her erect penis was sticking out from the top of her trousers.

It is alleged she subsequently made inappropriate comments about oral sex to another prisoner before giving her a bear hug.

A third alleged victim says she was also attacked.

And a fourth woman prisoner claims she was kissed on the neck.

The transgender prisoner has now been sent to a Category B men’s jail.

The latest figures show there were 125 transgender prisoners in England and Wales at the end of March 2017, up from 70 a year earlier.

At the moment transgender women can only legally change their gender on their birth certificate if they have been medically diagnosed with gender dysphoria and have lived as a woman for two years.

This is the rule often used by judges when they are deciding whether to send transgender prisoners to a male or female prison.

Under current rules transgender inmates are able to dictate how they are both searched and addressed by prison officers.

They can also benefit from greater freedom in how they dress and can shower and wash clothes in private.

Prison authorities have been forced to issue new regulations following a rapid rise in the number of transgender inmates and concern about their treatment.

Transgender prisoners first won the right to have gender surgery in 1999.

Lifer and convicted kidnapper John Pilley, now 64, and five other prisoners launched legal action to have surgery on the NHS.

Last year The Sun told how a ­double rapist who had £10,000 NHS gender surgery in prison was moved to a women’s jail.

Jessica Winfield, born Martin Ponting, attacked two girls but is now in HMP Bronzefield, Surrey.

What is wrong with this (extract of a) sentence

"while her erect penis was sticking out"

Is this new, LM talking of trans misogyny as opposed to trans phobia?

tobee - it's the next step on from transphobia. Transmisogyny (aka being mean to transwomen specifically) is obviously far worse than regular transphobia

So, basically, they're now hijacking the word and meaning of misogyny as well as everything else belonging to women.

Natasha Devon is saying the 80k lie too. Where is this figure coming from its not a worldwide figure, its not a UK figure, is it just pulled from the sky?

twitter.com/_NatashaDevon/status/1019592148625260544

Funny isn't it how the same people who a few months ago were saying believe all women etc are now skeptical when multiple imprisoned women accuse a "trans woman"
twitter.com/_NatashaDevon/status/951874168206888961

The hypocrisy is staggering, as usual its "believe women" except when it doesn't support your agenda

I think it's a US figure, as mentioned in this article and many others:

www.nytimes.com/2015/04/18/opinion/why-we-let-prison-rape-go-on.html

Yes, Tobee. We are not victims of misogyny any more, we are transmisogynists

Thanks AssassinatedBeauty still doesn't make sense why they're bothering to mention it in relation to Yorkshire but at least I know where it comes from

Either because they're too dim witted to check where the figure comes from before reusing it, or as a deliberate attempt to mislead.

At least they don't call him a woman in the headline: Transgender inmate charged with sex offences at Wakefield jail www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-44877856

Either because they're too dim witted to check where the figure comes from before reusing it, or as a deliberate attempt to mislead.

It's difficult to tell the difference most of the time.

Jean Hatchet has mentioned this on her petition: OPEN FOR SIGNATURES

cf Guardian article in response to Cliff Richard case yesterday:

"As news organisations, it is our job to tell people what is going on. That is why journalists from the BBC to the Sun have mounted such an unusual display of unity in their horrified reaction to this ruling. The idea that the activities of the police could be placed off limits to reporters is anathema. It means placing them off limits to the public. Reports of arrests can lead to further complainants coming forward. If we aren’t allowed to report on work in progress, it is difficult to see how anybody would find out when the police get things wrong.

Privacy matters, and the Guardian believes in it. From our investigation into phone hacking to our reports on the use of personal data in political advertising, we have sought to champion individuals’ rights over their personal information. We were supportive of Lord Justice Leveson’s public inquiry into the press because we recognised that laws had been broken. But we reject the proposal, made by Leveson and now taken up by Ms Soubry and litigants including Sir Cliff, that the names of suspects in criminal cases should be kept secret. Open justice – a system in which the public can see what happens – matters too."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/18/the-guardian-view-on-cliff-richards-court-victory-a-threat-to-journalism

Ah, so "we believe you" right up until it becomes clear that the person who raped you is a transwoman and then you're just a transmisosynist.

Of course.

Rape in prison is endemic and disgusting and more should be done to tackle it. The first step to tackling it effectively has to be to understand which ex of person commits prison rape. hint they are the sex class that have penises that become erect.

We needn't have worried, Lily Madigan says this is fear mongering and they didn't even present any evidence!

Lily Madigan is speaking at a Labour LGBT+ event today with Jess Bradley (NUS Trans officer). Jess Bradley is a 'prison abolisionist & gender extremist'

See Rose of Dawn's video,
'What does co-opting the Trans movement look like?'

'Radical far-left activists often co-opt unrelated movements to enforce their ideology on others. Here, I take a look at this phenomenon taking place in the trans community.'

Hold on a minute

So there are 4 women who have made complaints
And one woman complained against

And the commentary immediately states

That the 4 women with cunts are certainly lying

The woman with a penis is telling the truth.

Right.

I thought that it took 2 women's evidence to equal a man's? Seems that ratio has been changed to 5+.

This entire movement is mind bogglingly misogynistic. And they can't see it can they.

Some of the more extreme ones are saying the accusations from these women are a hate crime.

In general this is standard patriarchal response to women reporting sexual violence. That it's not true, it's malicious, women (cunty) are unreliable and vicious. The sympathy should be with the poor man (or tw) who is the real victim.

According to others on twitter, sexual abuse is sexual abuse. Why should the fact that there is a penis involved make any difference?

Janice Turner is on it.

Janice Turner Twitter

"The sheer idiocy of locking natal male, genitally-intact criminals in confined spaces with women prisoners, the majority of whom have suffered sexual abuse..."

and...

"Elected Labour Party women’s officer denigrates vulnerable women prisoners who report sexual abuse because it was committed by a male-bodied, male-genital trans person like herself. This prisoner has now been charged. Lily Madigan should be sanctioned by the LP"

Janice Turner

"Elected Labour Party women’s officer denigrates vulnerable women prisoners who report sexual abuse because it was committed by a male-bodied, male-genital trans person like herself. This prisoner has now been charged. Lily Madigan should be sanctioned by the LP.

The sheer idiocy of locking natal male, genitally-intact criminals in confined spaces with women prisoners, the majority of whom have suffered sexual abuse..."

I would think Francis Crook will make a statement very soon too.

LM is playing with the grown ups now, and needs to start behaving like one

At least the LP has to admit that LM has zero interest in women now. I hope the people who voted hate themselves for the monster they created

It would be good but the LP is so in the mire over antisemitism at the moment I'd be surprised if they even look at this.

LM was a active MRA when they were younger.

No surprise surely that they assume women routinely lie about rape and sexual assault.

Womens officer my arse.

Is this new, LM talking of trans misogyny as opposed to trans phobia?

The TRAs have caught on that feminists don't have a problem with transmen (because, well, duh) so they have had to narrow their focus.

Good to see Janice Turner on it.