This never happens: male offenders in female prisons

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www.thesun.co.uk/news/6804433/transgender-lag-sexually-abused-four-female-prisoners-days-after-arriving-at-west-yorkshire-jail/

A TRANSGENDER prisoner has been accused of sexually assaulting four female inmates after being sent to a women’s prison.

The first of the alleged attacks took place within days of her arriving at New Hall jail, Wakefield, West Yorkshire.

The inmate was sent there despite not having had gender reassignment surgery.

It is claimed she was visibly aroused when she allegedly assaulted the first inmate.

She was originally sent on remand to New Hall women’s prison after a judge heard how she had been living as a female for more than two years.

The alleged attacks will reignite the debate over whether transgender prisoners should be sent to women’s jails before they have had surgery.

It is claimed the first attack ­happened within days of the transgender prisoner’s arrival at high-security New Hall, Wakefield, West Yorks.

The alleged victim — an inmate with whom she had struck up a friendship — said the remand prisoner stood close to her and touched her arm while her erect penis was sticking out from the top of her trousers.

It is alleged she subsequently made inappropriate comments about oral sex to another prisoner before giving her a bear hug.

A third alleged victim says she was also attacked.

And a fourth woman prisoner claims she was kissed on the neck.

The transgender prisoner has now been sent to a Category B men’s jail.

The latest figures show there were 125 transgender prisoners in England and Wales at the end of March 2017, up from 70 a year earlier.

At the moment transgender women can only legally change their gender on their birth certificate if they have been medically diagnosed with gender dysphoria and have lived as a woman for two years.

This is the rule often used by judges when they are deciding whether to send transgender prisoners to a male or female prison.

Under current rules transgender inmates are able to dictate how they are both searched and addressed by prison officers.

They can also benefit from greater freedom in how they dress and can shower and wash clothes in private.

Prison authorities have been forced to issue new regulations following a rapid rise in the number of transgender inmates and concern about their treatment.

Transgender prisoners first won the right to have gender surgery in 1999.

Lifer and convicted kidnapper John Pilley, now 64, and five other prisoners launched legal action to have surgery on the NHS.

Last year The Sun told how a ­double rapist who had £10,000 NHS gender surgery in prison was moved to a women’s jail.

Jessica Winfield, born Martin Ponting, attacked two girls but is now in HMP Bronzefield, Surrey.

No, this never happens, won't happen, couldn't happen.

Except, to these four vulnerable women it did happen

Fuck this shit

I think the idea of chopping off the dick of child rapists is quite a good idea, hopefully it will catch on.... Misses point of thread completely....

Sounds far more appealing than current policy of putting them - if they identify as a woman - into a woman's prison, complete with often-erect penis....

We needn't have worried, Lily Madigan says this is fear mongering and they didn't even present any evidence!

response to LM tweet.

when did long-term prisoners start runnning twitter accounts?

The story is on the BBC: Transgender inmate charged with sex offences at Wakefield jail.

A transgender prisoner has been charged with committing four sexual offences against inmates at a women's jail in West Yorkshire.

Karen White, 51, is accused of four counts of sexual touching at New Hall Prison, Wakefield.

I hope all those TRAs and brocialists who claimed it was all made up are paying attention. Especially you, Ally Fogg, who 'called transphobic bullshit' on the story and told 't*rfs' to 'fuck off'. From a man who campaigns against sexual assault in prisons, that was a shocking angle to take.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

I have just seen this on the BBC and came over here to see if anyone might have thought this could happen.
I notice than no one had foreseen it at all!

Yes, who knew putting male criminals into women's prisons could cause problems!

I sent in a complaint to the BBC for bias on that article, citing the written evidence to the Maria Miller enquiry from the Prison Gender Specialist group and the recent comments by Frances Crook of the Howard League.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-44877856 On the bbc too!

This is disgusting! Sex segregation is so important in these situations!!!! What the fuck is wrong with the world

No one at the BBC cares. They're the white middle-class wealthy "woke" community. Prison isn't a reality or threat for them or theirs the way it is for a lot of people.

This is all completely mad. We cannot speak the truth anymore. It’s like a terrifying distopian fiction.

I hope all those TRAs and brocialists who claimed it was all made up are paying attention. Especially you, Ally Fogg, who 'called transphobic bullshit' on the story and told 'trfs' to 'fuck off'. From a man who campaigns against sexual assault in prisons, that was a shocking angle to take.*

James Kirkup Spectator article March 2018:
'Fear and loathing grips the gender debate'

(extract)
Bluntly, why the hell is no one in politics shouting from the rooftops about this stuff? We’re talking about people trying to put the frighteners on Mumsnetters, for goodness sake. In any other area of public life, politicians usually fall over themselves in their rush to speak up for middle-class working mothers. Yet the politicians who were desperate to talk biscuits at Mumsnet Towers are curiously silent about the intimidation that some women now report there

But that doesn’t seem to be happening. It’s because those women have been – quite successfully and even skilfully – demonised and stigmatised, put beyond the pale of civilised debate as those who question orthodoxy often are. They’ve been given a name, a name that means they’re bad people, people who should not speak and should not be heard. That name is “Terf,” which once meant “Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist” but now appears to stand in its own right as a term of abuse and dismissal alongside the other short, harsh words often used to question the worth and virtue of women.

And that small number of people who direct violence and abuse at “Terfs” are swimming in a larger sea of contempt and dismissal. Their conduct takes place in a social context where hostility to “Terfs” has become not just normal but even amusing, where there is no social cost to talking about and perhaps even inciting violence towards women who hold “unacceptable” views. Simply, some people, including people who would never themselves engage in that sort of violence, are doing things that make violent discourse and even violence look and feel OK. Sadly, they include journalists and politicians, people who parade their support for minority groups but speak about feminist women in terms they would never use about other people." (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/fear-and-loathing-grips-the-gender-debate/

Ally Fogg, for example, is a twat. Never lets an opportunity to shit on women pass him by. Of course he'll go full lefty dudebro on this debate. You'd expect no less.

The BBC just had a short report on this case on the news on Radio 2. You had to listen right to the end to hear that Miss White was "born male but now identifies as female"

I just heard it on Radio 4 News.

Noticed this report from The Sun in April 2017:

Staff and inmates at New Hall prison are fearful after five transgender cons were placed in the all-women’s jail

link

Lily Madigan

LM showing once again a complete lack of regard for women, particularly vulnerable women

'80,000 people are sexually assaulted every year in prison, so it's absolutely fine to put a vulnerable group (women) in unnecessary danger' - LM.

Ally Fogg, for example, is a twat. Never lets an opportunity to shit on women pass him by. Of course he'll go full lefty dudebro on this debate. You'd expect no less.

Already has before.

Absolutely. But don't expect LM to know that anything

This is so fucked up.. female prisoners are the utterly inevitable collateral damage in this bullshit.
Any trans prisoners with dicks should be housed in a space of their own within male prisons, if the male prison environment is unsuitable for them.

And meanwhile, since cases like this NEVER HAPPEN.... our government is consulting on making legal gender self ID easier..