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Is it time to repeal the Gender Recognition Act?

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PikesPeaked Fri 09-Feb-18 18:47:45

Surely it is time to recognise and accept that sex is genetically fixed and unchangeable?

That girl/woman and boy/man refer to specific sexes at specific states in their development.

That it is not possible to change from one to the other, but that it is possible and permissible to present yourself as either.

That nobody can be obliged to behave in a particular gendered manner. Men and women should, for example, be permitted to wear the uniform of the opposite sex (as long as it does not interfere with them carrying out their jobs).

That insisting that you are a woman with XY chromosomes, or a man with XX chromosomes, is Gender Dysphoria, a mental illness on a par with any other body dysphorias, and deserves compassionate treatment.

That appropriate treatment should be available for GD, but that hormonal or surgical treatment should be forbidden before the age of 18. This would include puberty blocking.

That there should be no more stigma to having GD than to having any other mental illness, such as depression or anorexia. And people with GD should not be discriminated against because of their condition.

That the only time 'gender' can be changed retrospectively should be in the case of proven Intersex conditions, when suitably qualified medical professionals agree that it would be in the individual's best interest.

PikesPeaked Fri 09-Feb-18 18:49:17

BTW I'm not a troll or a journalist. I am a serial-namechanger and a MNer of long standing.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Fri 09-Feb-18 18:51:26

I agree and have said so on several threads.

Winefred Fri 09-Feb-18 18:56:37

We just need a political party to pop that into their manifesto - and they'll have my vote.

terryleather Fri 09-Feb-18 19:04:11

I've pretty much come to this conclusion too.

Terfinater Fri 09-Feb-18 19:04:32

I agree.

theaveragewife Fri 09-Feb-18 19:07:04

Yep

MadCap Fri 09-Feb-18 19:07:49

Agree

busyboysmum Fri 09-Feb-18 19:08:40

I agree. It's nonsense. You are born male or female. Anything you identify as is your personality and there are as many different variations of that as there are grains of sand on the beach.

PancakeInMaBelly Fri 09-Feb-18 19:10:34

it's backwards: identifying with the gender STERIOTYPES associated with a particular sex, how can that be either forward thinking of liberal? (Spoiler: it's not!!!)

TellsEveryoneRealFacts Fri 09-Feb-18 19:11:08

Yep.

NaturalWoman Fri 09-Feb-18 19:13:03

Completely agree. 100%.

I have huge issues with gendered expectations of males/females of all ages.

Just because you do not conform to the gender stereotypes associated with one sex does not mean you are the other.

Wanting to wear dresses and make up does NOT make a woman any more than short hair and trousers makes a man.

And people should certainly not be encouraged to mutilate their bodies or take life long drugs wothout first undergoing psychiatric intervention to address the underlying course.

123bananas Fri 09-Feb-18 19:19:37

Yes 100%

Myunicornfliessideways Fri 09-Feb-18 19:20:10

Yes. And fix the Equality Act too. The original section in there was to protect transsexual people in being able to marry. Now we have same sex marriage legally achieved, its obsolete. Switch the protected characteristic from gender identity to gender non conformity, so the right to be free from discrimination/harassment/unequal treatment based on presenting/dressing/naming self in a gender non conforming way, and that's the end of the problem as far as legal inequalities go.

Then do something drastic and national about addressing male violence, right the way across society.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets Fri 09-Feb-18 19:23:53

Yep

Datun Fri 09-Feb-18 19:30:30

That would be a yes from me.

It was originally to accommodate same-sex marriage, and pension rights, I believe. Those issues are no longer a problem.

What is undeniable, is that it was not meant to allow men to compete as women, go to female prisons, go on all women shortlists, work in rape refuges, or medicate and sterilise children.

There has never been a more compelling case to revisit and repeal an act.

And for anyone who disagrees, I would like a bloody good answer as to why.

whoputthecatout Fri 09-Feb-18 19:31:04

Yes. And all forms that currently ask people to state their gender should be reworded to ask them to state their sex.

Stopmakingsense Fri 09-Feb-18 19:31:58

Yes yes and yes. Well said

UpstartCrow Fri 09-Feb-18 19:32:09

I agree with your suggestions. They are more moderate and sensible that what is happening now, and will have a negative impact on fewer people.

LangCleg Fri 09-Feb-18 19:32:33

I'd be happy to see it repealed.

But if it's amended, I think there should be a mandatory risk assessment (police check, psychiatric report) so that women can be assured any male with a GRC is safe to enter their spaces.

StinkPickle Fri 09-Feb-18 19:35:49

Couldn’t have been said better! Amen grin

Trailedanderror Fri 09-Feb-18 19:39:40

Agreed.

OvaHere Fri 09-Feb-18 19:42:21

Yes. It's no longer fit for purpose because the cohort of people it was originally intended for have largely been usurped by something very different.

Datun Fri 09-Feb-18 19:45:46

Yes. It's no longer fit for purpose because the cohort of people it was originally intended for have largely been usurped by something very different.

Exactly.

Any politicians out there, or journalists?

Please, write up about this.

The law is being exploited to the detriment of everyone else.

Thegirlinthefireplace Fri 09-Feb-18 19:52:27

I agree OP but the battle to prevent self ID is so huge I think repeal of the GRA entirely is beyond reach. It’s much easier to prevent the creation of new rights than to remove existing ones.

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