Is it time to repeal the Gender Recognition Act?

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Surely it is time to recognise and accept that sex is genetically fixed and unchangeable?

That girl/woman and boy/man refer to specific sexes at specific states in their development.

That it is not possible to change from one to the other, but that it is possible and permissible to present yourself as either.

That nobody can be obliged to behave in a particular gendered manner. Men and women should, for example, be permitted to wear the uniform of the opposite sex (as long as it does not interfere with them carrying out their jobs).

That insisting that you are a woman with XY chromosomes, or a man with XX chromosomes, is Gender Dysphoria, a mental illness on a par with any other body dysphorias, and deserves compassionate treatment.

That appropriate treatment should be available for GD, but that hormonal or surgical treatment should be forbidden before the age of 18. This would include puberty blocking.

That there should be no more stigma to having GD than to having any other mental illness, such as depression or anorexia. And people with GD should not be discriminated against because of their condition.

That the only time 'gender' can be changed retrospectively should be in the case of proven Intersex conditions, when suitably qualified medical professionals agree that it would be in the individual's best interest.

thebewilderness

I would like to see the GRA challenged in the courts.

^This

It really does need to be repealed, Birth certificates should not be changed.

SwordToFlamethrower yes, agree completely.

What a gross thread, lets turn back rights and remove what little access trans people have to equal marriage. We'd be on a par with repressive regimes like Russia then. How is this a "feminist" board!

As trans rights are completely impossible to discuss on here, how about intersex? The OP says they need to go through a dehumanising set of medical tests before they can "prove" their gender as well! So much for the lessons learnt from Caster Semenya, Dutee Chand and others.

Go read the Scottish responses to the GRA consultation, all intersex orgs want self-id, as self determination is rather important. It used to be rather important to feminists and all liberals. Apparently with the rise of the reactionary far right the overton window has moved and that is no longer a core principle.

Intersex has nothing to do with gender, self-id or the GRA.

SistersOfMercy

Are you in the UK? Same-sex marriage has been legal here since 2014. How do you think the GRA affects marriage for transgender people?

The Scottish GRA consultation was about transgender people. They promised another consultation about intersex people at a later date.

Maybe it's time for you to do some reading to help you formulate your arguments. I recommend this excellent article.
janeclarejones.com/2018/09/09/gay-rights-and-trans-rights-a-compare-and-contrast/

What a gross thread, lets turn back rights and remove what little access trans people have to equal marriage

What on earth are you on about?

Oh and you're wrong about 'intersex' people too. Their SEX (not gender) is recorded at birth like the rest of us.

Are you just making stuff up as you go along?

YES! Repeal the GRA! It was created to allow a post-op transsexual male to change this legal sex for reasons that are no longer applicable. Not to allow 'genitally intact male' sex offenders into women's prisons, etc. Repeal the GRA!

Yes.

Just another yes from me

(And a for sisters and the lack of equal marriage?)

Yes. The only justifiable reason for it was to allow old school transsexuals (effeminate gay males) to get married. Now that gay marriage is legal it's no longer needed for that reason, and is being used for purposes for which it was not intended.

12thGuelph I haven't read the thread and don't have time but I'm presuming that this comment was said with sarcasm and may be from this thread?

twitter.com/Blueeyedfoxie/status/1038959227476365312

Remarkably similar circumstances to the misquoted comment in a conversation which has led to the widely held belief that 'Mumsnet are calling for a new Section 28'

Agree Angryattackkittens

12thGuelph is a TRA.

So, A Twitter TRA is quoting a MN TRA as evidence of hatred.

The MN feminists all condemned the comment obviously.

And that lie is travelling half way round the world etc

Unbelievable. Taken out of context, it looks pretty vile but MN condemnation swiftly followed.

I found that statement deeply offensive, but chose to rise above it. Now I deeply regret not reporting it instantly.

So much for respecting freedom of speech!

MNHQ have unfortunately brought some of this down on themselves. In an effort to 'balance' both sides we've ended up being told to tolerate the sort of trolls who come to Mumsnet purely to make inflammatory posts for the purposes of screen grabbing them back to twitter attributing them falsely to "mumsnetters".

Regular posters have suggested solutions for this, like having tags under posters names of number of posts or time in forum, or even just a 'newbie' flag. Loads of forums do this.
But no.nothing changes.
12thGuelph and his/her mates achieved what they needed to. They planted their own hatred and disseminated it as if it was ours.

It wouldn't have mattered how quickly you reported it pikespeaked. The screen grab was taken as soon as it posted, I bet. And the propogandists on twitter made sure they didn't link to the thread or share any of the condemnation from actual mumsnetters. They know it's one of their own that posted it.

Damage done.

Hand in hand with a repeal of the GRA, there needs to be a revision of that part of the Equality Act that was supposed to protect transexuals from discrimination, but is now being abused by men who identify as women.

It's a loophole that needs closing. As a direct result of this loophole and government policy, men are in women's prisons and the Soham murderer Ian Huntley is getting special treatment and concessions due to his transition.

Yes. The law is supporting insanity.

I'm not surprised by the lack of interest in supporting women, the law has always been written by men for men. But supporting actual insanity, flying in the face of reality, is a new one, and deeply worrying.

"Regular posters have suggested solutions for this, like having tags under posters names of number of posts or time in forum, or even just a 'newbie' flag. Loads of forums do this."

That sounds like an excellent idea. Has a mumsmet responded on this?

Yes it is time.

I agree. I don't think we need to do anything about it though. Sophie Walker will probably be right on it

Agreed

Yes, repeal it. It's a car crash piece of legislation, makes a mockery of the law.