Is it time to repeal the Gender Recognition Act?

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Surely it is time to recognise and accept that sex is genetically fixed and unchangeable?

That girl/woman and boy/man refer to specific sexes at specific states in their development.

That it is not possible to change from one to the other, but that it is possible and permissible to present yourself as either.

That nobody can be obliged to behave in a particular gendered manner. Men and women should, for example, be permitted to wear the uniform of the opposite sex (as long as it does not interfere with them carrying out their jobs).

That insisting that you are a woman with XY chromosomes, or a man with XX chromosomes, is Gender Dysphoria, a mental illness on a par with any other body dysphorias, and deserves compassionate treatment.

That appropriate treatment should be available for GD, but that hormonal or surgical treatment should be forbidden before the age of 18. This would include puberty blocking.

That there should be no more stigma to having GD than to having any other mental illness, such as depression or anorexia. And people with GD should not be discriminated against because of their condition.

That the only time 'gender' can be changed retrospectively should be in the case of proven Intersex conditions, when suitably qualified medical professionals agree that it would be in the individual's best interest.

Yes and needs an international legal ruling - Sheila Jeffreys talks about this. It's bad, ill thought out law.

Agree with Barracker’s post at 21:52.

Agree

The message needs to be that the mantra of the woke generation, that they are the most liberal and tolerant is a ridiculous falsehood.

That their totalitarian demands, their insistence of categorising human behaviour, and of surgically sterilising those who don't fit into their "gender" categories, is worrying as fuck.

I am fed up.

With female politicians who still hedge their bets by pandering to Trans voices.
With the political parties.
With the bullshit from Camp TRA

I don't want a few concessions (like putting rapists in a male prison, as an exception to the general rule) - FFS - is that it? I don't want to hear that single-sex spaces/sport/employment won't be affected, and that life will go on. Lies, lies, and more lies.

Tinkering with the GRA won't make a dangerous law into a better one.

Repeal.

but I have heard that an international legal mechanism is CEDAW

the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, which was adopted in 1979 by the UN General Assembly

www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/cedaw/pages/cedawindex.aspx

From googling it looks like CEDAW defines what constitutes discrimination against women as part of aiming to eliminate discrimination.

As I understand it CEDAW has to be reported to regularly by the UK.

So we need to find out who writes those reports and ask that this issue is included as a matter of concern.

CEDAW could help to highlighting as unacceptable that in the UK sex legal recognition and sex definition is jeopardised by GRA and that gender stereotypes are being placed into policy which needs to be resisted. Oh and not unrelated that for some reason safeguarding of children and vulnerable adults (women prisoners and others) the same time appears to be under attack.

CEDAW support for this area (if that could be achieved) could back up a campaign for a sex recognition act in the UK.

I seem to remember hearing CEDAW had criticised Northern Ireland or ROI or both around lack of abortion provision. Not that this has changed the law overnight but it does embarrass governments to be forced to defend what CEDAW has criticised.

Anyway you can complain to CEDAW on an issue as an individual or woman’s group if your complaint meets the threshold:

blogs.lse.ac.uk/vaw/int/cedaw/individual-complaints/

Hopefully a lawyer will be along to comment..

Yes. Because women wanting assurance that the naked male in their changing room isn't Karen White is EXACTLY like the Holocaust.

You're encouraging the view that a whole class of people is guilty till proven innocent of the most despised crimes in society. It's the same path.

..... the build, the shoulders, the five o'clock shadow, the size of the forehead, the jaw-line, the walk, the adam's apple, ......

Do you understand that by definition you don't notice people who pass?

In answer, you’re now comparing us both to the Waffen SS.

No, I'm not, I'm comparing you to ignorant little haters.

A whole class of people is male.
And a whole class is female.
And one cannot move from one class to another any more than they can move from one species to another.
So unless you want to howl about the unfairness of Darwinian evolution, for which you will find none of the posters on this thread are responsible, 12thGuelph, you can stop with your outrageous references to the Holocaust and sit the fuck down.

Please tell me what Darwinian evolution has to do with it.

I agree. Some serious issues have been normalised instead of addressed and I feel it’s gone too far. I feel it is turned into a trend and more people are doing it because everyone else is. If someone wants to change their entire indentity then there is clearly a deeper issue that needs a

Sorry this damn post button. That needs addressing instead of just painting over.

My spelling errors are also horrendous I apologise

12thGuelph

Whether or not a person 'passes' as the opposite sex is irrelevant. The GRA itself is unethical.

It needs to be repealed and I"d never of said that 6 months ago. It is TRA that has made me realise, it must.

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Whether or not a person 'passes' as the opposite sex is irrelevant. The GRA itself is unethical.

This.

OP I totally agree, have long been thinking how is the government going to get itself out of this mess whilst saying trans women are women. (When they’re not women, they are trans women.)
Anyone feel like setting up a petition? I am not remotely tech savvy but would support this 100%, to get the GRA repealed.

One side wants to reinforce gender stereotypes with sterilisation surgery, and to remove safeguarding for women and children. The other side says no, that's obscene.

And it's the first lot that are calling us fascists.

Either they are idiots or they are complicit.

Yes - I'd be up for campaigning to repeal the GRA

No. I ask that clothing and personality traits stops being gendered at all.

I ask that we have male and female sex observed at birth and permanently recorded on a birth certificate and how a person grows up is free to express themselves in any way that makes them happy so long that it doesn't take away peoples right to privacy and safety. Ie if you are male you use male facilities and if you are female you use female facilities.

End of.

I have thought about this and I agree that the GRA needs to be repealed. I don’t agree that you should be able to change a birth certificate after the fact, as it’s a historical record of a persons birth. I understand that it was introduced to cater for people of the same sex to be able to marry, but that isn’t required any longer.

And if we are trying to improve acceptance of trans people then surely hiding the fact away like a dirty secret isn’t the best approach. We need to move to a society where all people are respected and if you are trans then it’s no big deal.

I want trans people to be safe and able to live as they want, but disagree that we should be compelled to pretend that they have actually changed sex when that is just not possible.