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Westminstenders: Exit 2020 Vision

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RedToothBrush Mon 19-Mar-18 18:02:07

Yet it is a great mistake to suppose that the only writers who matter are those whom the educated in their saner moments can take seriously. There exists a subterranean world where pathological fantasies disguised as ideas are churned out by crooks and half-educated fanatics for the benefit of the ignorant and the superstitious. There are times when this underworld emerges from the depths and suddenly fascinates, capturers and dominates multitudes of usually sane and responsible people, who thereupon take leave of sanity and responsibility. And it occasionally happens that this underworld becomes a political power and changes the course of history.
Norm Cohn ‘Warrant for Genocide’ 1970

(As referenced by Nick Cohen).

We have a deal (or bits of a deal). Bino til Dec 2020. Then the cliff?

Still a long way to go. It sounds better than it could be. But worse than it initially seems.

Dobby1sAFreeElf Mon 19-Mar-18 18:05:38

Sorry for ruining your dinner red

Talkstotrees Mon 19-Mar-18 18:07:58

I’m in 👍

mrsreynolds Mon 19-Mar-18 18:08:16

Thanks again red 🌟
Hope you don't get indigestion!

Motheroffourdragons Mon 19-Mar-18 18:18:34

Place mat king. Hope you had a nice dinner, thank you again for your new thread.

BigChocFrenzy Mon 19-Mar-18 18:18:59

Thanks, red thanks Still the busiest threads on Mumsnet
Hope your dinner didn't get cold / the dog didn't nick some while you were typing

SNP fishing spokesman (putting the boot in to the Tories)

"The Tories have sold out the Scottish fishing industry once again and Ruth Davidson should be shame-faced for her fastest broken Brexit promise yet.
Just last week she said ‘Britain will leave the CFP as of March 2019’.

Now we know not only will the UK have to abide by CFP rules during the transition period, it will lose the voting rights it has now.
The Tories have delivered the worst possible outcome for Scotland’s fishing industry."

Rather like the whole deal: about the same as EU membership, but without voting rights hmm

Violetparis Mon 19-Mar-18 18:20:01

Thank you Red

Peregrina Mon 19-Mar-18 18:22:41

What comments have Farage, Mogg, etc. made yet, or a) have they been struck dumb or b) are pretending it's the most wonderful deal ever?

BigChocFrenzy Mon 19-Mar-18 18:24:56

Transition not yet fully agreed, not yet signed & sealed
Did DD have his fingers crossed behind his back, when agreeing today ?

Mats Persson, who worked in Downing Street for David Cameron as a Europe adviser:

Mats Persson@matsJpersson
Draft Brexit transition deal means business face a binary choice. Plan on basis of
1) Political deal = put contingency plans on hold
2) Legal certainty = make an irreversible decision to activate plans now as October too late

I'd say a 50-50 split amongst businesses I speak to.

MangoSplit Mon 19-Mar-18 18:27:50

Thanks Red

RedToothBrush Mon 19-Mar-18 18:30:56

What comments have Farage, Mogg, etc. made yet, or a) have they been struck dumb or b) are pretending it's the most wonderful deal ever?

Not looked. Have seen this though:

David Blevins @skydavidblevins
DUP source: "The EU's proposed draft legal text has been rejected by the PM in the House of Commons and we agree that it is totally unacceptable. Government hasn't changed that position and the vital sections are not agreed much less any sense that NI would remain in CU and SM."

BigChocFrenzy Mon 19-Mar-18 18:31:12

_^Open Britain not impressed_
Since the referendum, the Government have made at least seven major promises about the transition period.

*Today’s draft agreement with the EU shows these promises have all now been broken,*^
and that all transition does is move us from being a rule maker to a rule taker.^

^The seven promises that were made were:^
1.A transition period will be about ‘implementing’ the future relationship, not negotiating it
2. The UK will not pay money to the EU after March 2019
3. The UK will not have to abide by EU rules during transition
4. The UK will ‘take back control’ of fisheries policy
5. Free movement will end in March 2019
6. The UK will have new trade deals ready to come into force on 29 March 2019
7. The implementation period would last for two years and should not be time limited^

The Government has agreed to a fixed transition period of just 21 months

All this does is extend the Brexit cliff-edge until 1 January 2021 – which is no way near enough time to negotiate the future relationship

lonelyplanetmum Mon 19-Mar-18 18:34:24

Pla*I*ce marking, with thanks to RTB.

On the one hand seeing the agreement all written down seems one depressing step closer to isolationist decline. On the other hand I take Dobby's point up thread. May has form for lots of loud noises about one thing, then later quietly does the opposite.

Still think there's a reason for DD fronting today's agreement and not May.

Article 4a of that agreement lays down an early warning to any more of DD's fingers crossed behind his back business.

DGRossetti Mon 19-Mar-18 18:39:28


thecatfromjapan Mon 19-Mar-18 18:41:55

Thanks, Red. flowers

VivaKondo Mon 19-Mar-18 18:41:58

Place mat king.

Still not convinced this new chapter is a good one...

BigChocFrenzy Mon 19-Mar-18 18:43:32

Theresa May hmm

December 2017:
“I agree that in the absence of non-unicorn solutions, the backstop is that NI remains in the Single Market & Customs Union”

February 2018:
"No British PM would agree to … um … the NI deal I agreed 2 months ago "

March 2018:
"Um (frog in throat) ... Um, today I agree to ...Um, the NI deal I said last month that no PM would ever agree to"
(crosses fingers behind her back, along with DD)

April 2018 … hmm ?

lonelyplanetmum Mon 19-Mar-18 18:50:56


No point mentioning it to FIL.He has an alternative explanation for all of the dozens of other businesses closing. He knows better than the liquidators and senior management at any of these companies you see.

woman11017 Mon 19-Mar-18 18:54:42

has been rejected by the PM in the House of Commons and we agree that it is totally unacceptable.
Is why she sent DD?

Thanks red flowers<sorry about the tea>

woman11017 Mon 19-Mar-18 18:58:47

"most important thing you'll see all year, 7pm in the UK .
Overseas #CambridgeAnalytica interference invalidated the referendum".
Channel 4 news now.

Violetparis Mon 19-Mar-18 18:59:49

Laura Kuenssberg has tweeted that IDS has said some Tory MPs are uneasy and have concerns about immigration, fishing and Northern Ireland.

RedToothBrush Mon 19-Mar-18 19:02:50

Danger: Cliff Edge ahead.

BigChocFrenzy Mon 19-Mar-18 19:04:27

David Blevins@skydavidblevins
Barnier/Davis: "We have a deal."
Sinn Fein: "The British PM has buckled on the Irish border."
DUP: "Oh no she hasn't."
Clear as mud. #Brexit

BigChocFrenzy Mon 19-Mar-18 19:10:10

Farage says May is "totally useless and must go"

AgnesSkinner Mon 19-Mar-18 19:21:14

Farage is not a happy bunny on Twitter.

Theresa the Appeaser has let the people down again. She's like the Duke of York marching the troops to the top of the hill to march them down again.

So that at least is cheerful news.

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