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Anna Kreigel murder case

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Betaboo Thu 16-May-19 12:49:06

I guess we can't discuss the trial, but the details coming out from the evidence is sickening, the poor child's death was horrific ! Her poor parents knowing how their daughters final hours were full of such suffering and terror.

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beanaseireann Thu 16-May-19 18:44:25

Heartbreaking sad
What has happened in society?

Bythebanksof Fri 17-May-19 18:32:26

In cases such as these I always wonder about the parents and families of the accused. I know if I believed my son had done something like that then I would not stand by him. It's awful.

Thank God for DNA evidence in these types of cases. It is so important, and is a relatively recent development in determining what happened.

MargieMo Mon 20-May-19 19:10:40

Yes, DNA is so important today. My story (from many years ago) is in this article

If DNA evidence technology was available at the time, I would have reported, since (at it turned out much latter) there had been a whole series of incidents that college.

beanaseireann Wed 22-May-19 19:04:22

I'm sorry that happened to you. sad
I hope you have been able to overcome that awful experience.

Ohmygoodness101 Wed 22-May-19 22:35:31

This case is heartbreaking. That poor girl. How she was treated for being different and her poor parents.

Those boys ! I wonder who was the real mastermind. The evidence seems pretty overwhelming but judges in Ireland are often pretty lenient with sentencing.

RedForShort Thu 23-May-19 08:27:32

It's very hard to read about how she was treated before, let alone any thoughts of the day the boys (i think i have to say allededly) assaulted and murdered her.

animaginativeusername Thu 23-May-19 09:37:10

The poor girl, heartbreaking to even comprehend something like this could be done by 'children'. Just monsters,

Deadringer Thu 23-May-19 09:40:56

It's heartbreaking. Not excusing those monsters, but I have no doubt that violent and degrading porn featured somewhere in those boys' lives. I can't even imagine what her parents are feeling.

Betaboo Thu 23-May-19 11:47:12

MargieMo, so sorry for what you went through, that is just shocking.

Poor Anna, horrible what the boys had to say about how people viewed her and how she was treated.

What I cannot understand is why with all the DNA evidence there is a not guilty plea, it must be torture for Anna's parents hearing all of that, and then the defence trying to deflect it by bringing up the silly things she did while she was struggling with being isolated and excluded.

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Ohmygoodness101 Thu 23-May-19 16:10:02

Margie mo,

I’m so sorry to hear what happened to you.

The evidence is so overwhelming, why at the boys legal teams defending the case rather than entering a large plea. It sounds like boy b is hoping to get off, although his story is bullshit, by getting boy a to take all the blame. In a way it reminds me of the Jamie Bolger case in that the leader and follower in that case was not what it seemed

Porn aside, they’re two sociopaths and I’d never want them living near me

Betaboo Thu 23-May-19 18:13:02

Oh my word, the evidence just gets worse, if that is even possible. Todays reporting from the court is absolutely harrowing. sad.

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Ohmygoodness101 Thu 23-May-19 20:06:38

This from Charlie McGettigan

“She was a weirdo.” “She was a freak.” “She was a sad person” “She was better developed than other girls her age.” “She was a slutty girl who wore her clothes too tight.” “She wasn't someone you would want to be around.”
Young boys being perfectly coached by adults in how to absolutely denigrate a young female child and desensitise the jury and the public at large to her worth as a human being.
Every carefully accentuated description of poor Ana emphasizing her abnormality, her absolute worthlessness, and a denial of her right to be respected either in life or death
Brutalized by her attackers in the last moments of her short life, and now her short life brutalised in the eyes of the world in an attempt to prove her death wasn't the terrible crime we might have at first imagined.
She was no different from any fourteen year old in the world, and if any good should come of her death it is that we realize how many of her young peers suffer these cruel insults every day and every week in every school in the land.
We can't ever encourage our young female children to try and be different when they well know the price of being different. Maybe we should try harder in encouraging our young men to think differently about young girls.
May she get to rest in peace soon...x

beanaseireann Thu 23-May-19 20:11:29

My heart goes out to her parents having to listen to all that sh*te .
It's beyond belief.
A local politician came knocking on my door asking had I any issues I'd like to talk about - I said "crime"
He asked me was there a problem hmm
Jesus wept. The governing party are truly out of touch.

Betaboo Thu 23-May-19 22:06:59

Apparently some of the evidence is so gruesome it is not being reported, how can it possibly be more gruesome than what is being reported.shock.

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RedForShort Fri 24-May-19 13:50:44

I don't know, being on the jury will lead to a them lifetime exemption I'm sure. Hideous.

Bythebanksof Mon 27-May-19 17:57:07

There are some comments above about conflicting statements in evidence. For a single individual, that is a bad thing in that it raises credibility issues for the jury (and perhaps the judge) with respect to the defendant.

However strange it may seem, there are also situations where conflicting evidence from multiple parties less to confusion, lack of clarity, and makes it very difficult to parse the evidence.

An example was the Belfast rape trial. ALL the defendants gave conflicting statements, and repeated conflicting statements in court. From my perspective it certainly made it much more difficult for the jury to figure out what happened.

Ohmygoodness101 Mon 27-May-19 22:35:49


The boy b gave conflicting evidence until presented with CCTV evidence and dna evidence putting him there.

I wonder what boy A will say as boy B is representing himself as another victim in this.

LastChanceFinalOffer Tue 28-May-19 20:05:37

That poor girl and her parents. I hope they get justice. My heart breaks for them.

Betaboo Tue 28-May-19 20:36:04

Are the two accused on bail and living at home or are they in custody? Where do they actually put underage kids who are found guilty of serious crime? Do they then go to an adult prison when they turn 18.

It must be just awful for Anna's parents to see all the opportunities, that Boy B supposedly ignored, which could have saved Anna. Hard to believe that kids that age discuss killing people, and just totally mind blowing that they could go through with it. Poor Anna and her parents and brother. It is just unfathomable.

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LastChanceFinalOffer Tue 28-May-19 21:55:41

Afaik they are in a juvenile detention centre. I doubt they are at home. It's a difficult situation. They're safer locked up.

DuchessOfBallybrack Sat 01-Jun-19 20:25:04

Awful awful, I agree, her parents must feel so sick listening to it all.
I agree it's so hard to comprehend that boys of that age would sit around planning to kill.

CharityDingle Sun 09-Jun-19 00:20:40

I hope and pray that justice will be done. That poor child and her poor parents having to go through all of this while grieving their loss, in the most horrendous circumstances. Nothing will bring her back, may her gentle innocent soul rest in peace.
At least let them have the comfort, as little as it is, in the face of their terrible loss, of knowing that justice was done. I commend the gardai for their work in this case.

Bythebanksof Sun 09-Jun-19 03:35:18

The use of CCTV and DNA are crucial in these types of cases. This type of technology was not readily available in the past. As in other countries, it is resulting in faster and fairer prosecution.

See this recent wonderful example

Bythebanksof Sun 09-Jun-19 03:36:37

Of course I should add, I'm heartbroken for Ana family.

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