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Anna Kreigel murder case

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Betaboo · 16/05/2019 12:49

I guess we can't discuss the trial, but the details coming out from the evidence is sickening, the poor child's death was horrific ! Her poor parents knowing how their daughters final hours were full of such suffering and terror.

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MysweetAudrina · 19/06/2019 15:15

Totur, because they are children I would imagine and also they may have siblings and family who probably need to be protected from vigilantes.

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Cacacoisfarraige · 19/06/2019 16:22

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LastChanceFinalOffer · 19/06/2019 16:48

That's the law in Ireland. Anyone ignoring that law will be held and charged with contempt of court (as said by the judge again today).

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gabsdot45 · 19/06/2019 17:08

I hope the boys identities aren't revealed as it might make an appeal easier.

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RedForShort · 19/06/2019 17:26

It is possibility the school has made no mention of her due to the anonymity (I'm not sure if naming the school comes under this too - but it's been names repeatedly on social media).

However it doesn't stop the face they did nothing for her when she was alive and being victimised. I believe she was suspended from the school, but know nothing about if those that bullied her were dealt with. From what Ana's mother said it would seem not.

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Bumper1969 · 19/06/2019 17:31

I don't think blaming the school is useful. Those bullies did not rape and murder her. I'm a teacher in a DEIS school, we teach consent, cyber bullying, bullying, internet safety etc etc as does every school including that school. I have spent so much time dealing with this kind on bullying but unless I personally sit with every child every night I can not control what they do online. I can educate about it and deal with individual cases within my pastoral care. It it still goes on. Of every child who bullied was expelled you'd have empty classrooms. We don't know what the school did or didn't do. Only that the bullying continued which may not be the fault of the school. This form of cyberbjllying is impossible for teachers to monitor 24 hrs.

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HopeMumsnet · 19/06/2019 17:34

Hi there,
This has been a very distressing case and we understand that feelings run high after reading about such a horrific murder of a lovely young woman, but we wanted to draw your attention to this story and ask you all just to bear in mind that there are reporting restrictions regarding the murderers and their family.
We're not wholly clear what those are just yet, to be honest, but we'd rather everyone just err on the side of caution. Thanks. It's all very sad.

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RedForShort · 19/06/2019 18:32

Not blaming the school Bumper1969. As Ana's own mother said it didn't help.

My children are in DEiS school. They deal with bullying as soon as they are aware of it (as they also can't monitor every child 24hrs). No delay in tackling it.

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Cacacoisfarraige · 19/06/2019 20:01

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Badwifey · 19/06/2019 20:45

That poor beautiful girl. I have a 5 year old dd and I worry so much about her future.

I get the impression from that irish Times article that boy B doesn't come from an ideal home. They mention that about boy A that he comes from "a hard working family". Also his behaviour after the verdict was appaling.

I don't honestly know how with set of parent could sit there and support and comfort their sons after what they did. It's not something I would be able to do.

The sad thing is these boys will no doubt be released before the age of 25 to a new life, new identity and potential partners non the wiser. Absolute terrifying.

I hope Ana is at peace.

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Badwifey · 19/06/2019 20:45

His father's behaviour

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Farmmum7 · 19/06/2019 21:00

I read about the trial today and the details that were given were horrific. I don't even know that I can find any words I don't know how anyone is capable of such things and her poor parents and family. The two boys have been found guilty but it's her family that have to live with the details etched into their memory forever that kind of grief must be a life sentence in itself it's heartbreaking.

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RedForShort · 19/06/2019 22:45

Boy A's solicitor is apparently one of the top solicitors in the country. Very expensive. "Hard working" probably just means lots of money.

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GrapefruitIsGross · 20/06/2019 01:00

...the emphasis is on protecting the murderers rights.

I agree, but it does seem like the state are in between a rock and a hard place- withhold their identities and face criticism from the public, or release their names and face 60 years + of constantly providing new identities at public cost once they’re released like with the boys in the Bulger case.

This is, very tragically, new ground for the state and I don’t envy the people making decisions which have to balance what’s in the public interest with being legally watertight to avoid any appeals etc

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Lipz · 20/06/2019 01:11

This is where the they will be staying. Taken from the Irish Times News Paper


June 18 at 7:35 PM ·
This is the 5 star resort that the teenage killers of Ana Kriégel will be residing in for what will no doubt be their very short sentence...
Oberstown Children Detention Campus, where Boy A and Boy B have been remanded in custody pending sentencing for the murder of Ana Kriégel, is situated on the outskirts of Lusk, north Co Dublin.
This is almost certainly where the boys will serve any custodial sentence imposed, up to the age of 18.
While all young people sent there have committed serious crimes, the facility refers to itself as a place of “care” rather than detention.
The daily regime unfolds in a more relaxed and less secure setting than an adult prison; one where staff prepare cooked breakfasts for young offenders as treats and where playing video games, watching movies and being given the space and time to take private phone calls is part of the daily regime.
Young people are brought on day trips outside the campus, including swimming and to the cinema, and they also receive pocket money if their behaviour is deemed good enough.
However, if they present as “angry” they will be taken out of their group on campus. They can be physically restrained by staff, though this is intended as a last resort.
Over the years the facility has experienced rioting by some young people, with the worst cases becoming national news stories.
At other times some young offenders have absconded during day trips with staff, though most are found and returned to the campus very quickly.
A staff of educators, care workers and medical personnel draws up a “placement plan” for every young person sent there.
This is formulated with a view to helping each teenager progress, stay healthy, gain an education and ultimately reintegrate into society and turn away from crime.Oberstown houses male and female juvenile offenders, ranging in age from 12 to 18 years, after which they transfer to the adult prison system if required, to complete their sentence.Youth offenders from all over the Republic are held in Oberstown, living in houses on the campus known as ‘units’.
Up to eight young offenders live in a unit and each unit has a manager, with six staff working on each unit during the day and two overnight.
“Staff are there to support you and help you keep to the rules of Oberstown. You will get a phone call when you arrive and you will be allocated two key workers,” a booklet presented to each new arrival states.
All of the young offenders have their own en-suite bedroom. However, while these are described as bedrooms rather than cells, they feature large steel doors with locking mechanisms, and an observation hatch, akin to a prison cell door.
A duvet and pillow is supplied for each offender who also receives toiletries, though personal items are stored in lockers in the corridors rather than in each bedroom.
“You have a TV in your bedroom that is turned off at 2am and can be turned back on at 9am,” the information booklet for each offender informs them.
“Your bedroom is locked during the night. However, staff are there during the night if you need them and will check on you during the night to ensure you are OK.”
Each unit on the campus has a lounge area allowing the young people to congregate socially. “Multipurpose rooms” are also included in each unit where young offenders can watch movies, play video games and take phone calls in private.
Meals are delivered into each unit and the young criminals sit together at meal times. At the weekends staff prepare a cooked breakfast for the young people and at all times any special dietary requirements can be catered for.
Breakfast is served at 9.30am each day and each young offender must then attend school on campus from 10am, Monday to Friday. Lunch is served from 12 noon to 1.30pm followed by another 1½ hours of school, which ends at 3pm.
There is one hour of free time for phone calls and X-box. From 4pm varying recreational activities are available.
“They include: gym; football; textiles; art; cooking; wood-burning; music and snooker or pool,” the information pack for new arrivals to Oberstown states.
During the school day lessons are 45 minutes long, with four classes per day leading to the offenders sitting their Leaving Cert and Junior Cert.
All of the young people undergo a medical examination by campus medical staff when they first arrive. After that there is a GP and nursing service available daily, with nursing staff present each day on campus until 9pm.
Key workers assigned to each unit also devise any medical or treatment plans for any of the young criminals who have drug or alcohol dependency issues.
The key workers also accompany the young people on appointments they have in court.
A system of random searches operates on the Oberstown campus, with bedrooms subject to search at any time and young people searched every time they leave or come back to the campus.
The mission statement of Oberstown is: “To ensure that young people detained in Oberstown are supported to move away from offending behaviour to make a more positive contribution to society”.
The centre’s vision is to “provide safe, secure and appropriate care for young people to meet their education and health needs to support them to address their offending behaviour and prepare them to return to their families and communities following release from detention.”
They will then live their lives in complete anonymity and no doubt go to college and have long happy lives unlike their victim!

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Bythebanksof · 20/06/2019 07:51
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EAIOU · 20/06/2019 07:54

This story broke my heart to read. I can't even imagine as a parent and human being what it was like for poor Ana and for her family to have to go through that 💔

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mathanxiety · 20/06/2019 08:01

We can't ever encourage our young female children to try and be different when they well know the price of being different. Maybe we should try harder in encouraging our young men to think differently about young girls.
(Charlie McGettigan)

So true.

The fact that there were over 12,000 pornographic images on the phone of Boy A speaks for itself.

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darkriver19886 · 20/06/2019 08:51

Not from Ireland but this is heartbreaking. That poor girl and her families.

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Cacacoisfarraige · 20/06/2019 09:37

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Annasgirl · 20/06/2019 11:17

The twin purposes of prison are supposed to be to take people who are a threat to society away from society so they can do no harm, and to show others who might be tempted to commit crimes that this is what will happen if they do. While I realise that teenage boys do not take account of punishment when committing a crime, there needs to be a signal sent out to people that these crimes will be punished and punished severely.

It does not give me great hope when I read the comments of Leo Varadkar in the Dail where he sympathised with Ana's parents and the parents of the murderers in the same sentence.

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beanaseireann · 20/06/2019 11:21

Why do parents not check up on what their children are up to ?

One boy had 2 phones.

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Sakura7 · 20/06/2019 13:09

I don't care if they're minors, the dangerous psychopathic behaviour they engaged in (especially Boy A) cannot be rehabilitated imo. There's something wrong with their wiring and they pose a danger to the public.

In Scotland, Alesha McPhail's killer was named in the public interest, and rightly so. Should be the same here.

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