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To be terrified about what will happen if the Gender Identity Bill is passed?

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TheWorldAccordingToToads Wed 08-Mar-17 19:42:56

I'm a nervous wreck right now sad

Will it replace sex as a protected characteristic? Does that mean that women will have no legal protection at all?

I'm scared sad.

TheWorldAccordingToToads Wed 08-Mar-17 19:44:28

Someone please reassure me either this won't happen or I'm misunderstanding this sad

TheWorldAccordingToToads Wed 08-Mar-17 20:22:43


Oscarandelliesmum Wed 08-Mar-17 20:23:35


5OBalesofHay Wed 08-Mar-17 20:23:45

Why are you scared?

Gallavich Wed 08-Mar-17 20:25:17


Because if all that is needed to become legally a woman is a statement that you identify as a woman, sex segregated spaces will become illegal. Rape crisis centres and domestic violence shelters will be forced to allow men (who say they identify as women) to enter.
It will be incredibly dangerous for women and girls.

Bellybootcut Wed 08-Mar-17 20:25:22

Why are you terrified? How will it affect you?

TheWorldAccordingToToads Wed 08-Mar-17 20:26:20

Exactly what Gallavich said.

Will it mean we will no longer be able to ask for a female rape counseller?

Dumbstrucked Wed 08-Mar-17 20:28:26


TheCountessofFitzdotterel Wed 08-Mar-17 20:28:30

Have you written to your MP? Doing something about it is a good cure for anxiety.

Bellybootcut Wed 08-Mar-17 20:30:41

I'm sure you can still ask for a female rape counsellor. Why wouldn't you?

TheWorldAccordingToToads Wed 08-Mar-17 20:31:19

How will it affect you?

If it replaces sex as a protected characteristic, it will effect all of us.

It will mean we will no longer be able to ask for a female HCP for intimate examinations. It will mean that we will be unable to ask to be examined by a female doctor if we have been raped or give a statement to a female police officer.

It will mean that a man just has to say "I identify as a woman" and that's it, he'll be allowed to access female toilets/changing rooms/sports/prisons/shelters. It means that if we see someone who is obviously male in a female space and we question what he is doing there, we will be the ones committing the hate crime.

It means an elderly frail person won't be allowed to request a carer of the same sex.

5OBalesofHay Wed 08-Mar-17 20:31:47

Now I'm bothered by it. Wasn't on my radar before. So a bloke says he's a woman and that's it he can go to any women's space as a right angry. Not scared as am fine but fucking angry for those women who aren't fine.

TheWorldAccordingToToads Wed 08-Mar-17 20:31:56

hmm Not sure what the biscuit is for.

Ofalltheginjoints Wed 08-Mar-17 20:33:49

Because bellybootcut the female rape counsellor you ask for may be biologically male with a fully functioning penis (think Tara the woman in the women's prison with the "7 inch surprise")
I would not want that to be the case in that situation (call me TERF if you wish) I'd like a biological female to deal with and that's the problem with this bill, female/woman comes down to a feeling rather then a biological fact

TheWorldAccordingToToads Wed 08-Mar-17 20:33:56

I'm sure you can still ask for a female rape counsellor. Why wouldn't you?

Because sex will no longer be a protected characteristic. It will be replaced by gender identity which means you could only ask for someone who feels female.

Wolpertinger Wed 08-Mar-17 20:35:13

Belly but who will your female rape counsellor be?

Will be a woman as you generally understand it, or a male to trans woman who is now entitled to call himself a woman?

SallyGinnamon Wed 08-Mar-17 20:35:18

I'm terrified and furious in equal measures.

I fell like the whole world has gone mad.

'I'd like a female gynaecologist please'. 'Certainly'. In comes Dr Steph, ex Stephen in a frock and white coat.

How dare we say (s)he isn't a real woman????

Herdingcows Wed 08-Mar-17 20:35:19

The biscuit I'm assuming was put there out of complete ignorance

CecileSo Wed 08-Mar-17 20:36:34

Please remember that lots of people don't have this on their radar. So you will get biscuits, people saying WTF at you because it's so ridiculously unbelievable!

SallyGinnamon Wed 08-Mar-17 20:36:46

The problem is that nobody dare say anything for fear of prosecution for using the wrong pronoun.

It's utterly bonkers.

5OBalesofHay Wed 08-Mar-17 20:36:57

So basically your rape counsellor might have a cock but identify as a woman confused

OnionKnight Wed 08-Mar-17 20:37:01

Wouldn't this affect men as well? Not trying to start a bun fight, I'm genuinely interested.

I feel more comfortable being seen by a male doctor, in theory could the male doctor be a woman who identifies as a man?

TheWorldAccordingToToads Wed 08-Mar-17 20:38:00

I think there is some confusion about this.

If gender identity and sex were both protected characteristics I would be fine with that.

However the proposal is to get sex replaced with gender identity as a protected characteristic.

So basically anyone could say "I'm a woman" and that't it. They'll be allowed to access female prisons/shelters/changing rooms/rape crisis centres/etc even if they are 6ft tall with a full length beard.

SarahOoo Wed 08-Mar-17 20:38:26

I think you need to calm down.....

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