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amispartacus Tue 31-Jan-17 23:05:56

Because 24 hours is a long time in US politics

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2841897-Trump-thread-6

UnGoogleable Tue 31-Jan-17 23:09:12

Ooh I finally get to read a thread from the beginning, rather than 900 posts in grin

I wonder what we will wake up to tomorrow. Or will he run out of steam and bigoted ideas soon?

originalmavis Tue 31-Jan-17 23:11:17

Hello new thread! Just off to bed now. Don't let trump blow up the earth before 6:30 will you? I wouldn't want to miss it.

cozietoesie Tue 31-Jan-17 23:12:32

Thanks, ami. smile

BerylStreep Tue 31-Jan-17 23:13:29

I know, I get to place mark in the single digits!

So did I understand right - US Marshalls are ignoring the courts and receiving orders directly from the Executive?

cozietoesie Tue 31-Jan-17 23:14:31

Did you notice, on that clip that someone linked to in the last thread, that the Press Secretary was grey and sweating? I'd be heading to a medic if I were he.

maggiethemagpie Tue 31-Jan-17 23:18:21

Scary how after only 10 days or whatever it is people are now referring to it as 'the regime'. Because 'regime' is only used to describe evil-style governments, isn't it.

UnGoogleable Tue 31-Jan-17 23:18:21

I would imagine Spicer is under some serious pressure, I think he fears for his job

UnGoogleable Tue 31-Jan-17 23:19:04

I posted this on previous thread, thinking i was on the new thread - posting again:

Does anyone else feel this clusterfuck is seriously seeping into upsetting them in their daily lives? People in work today were so demoralised, wondering what would happen next.

And I'm arguing with DH about it almost daily, for his failure to be outraged about it. He keeps saying things like "Well, Trump is doing what he said he would do, he's a businessman and he's running it like a business". He's not supporting him, but he's not condemning him either... it unsettles me greatly.

Is it affecting anyone else like this?

maggiethemagpie Tue 31-Jan-17 23:20:56

I am compulsively reaching for my phone upon waking each morning ungoogleable to find out what he's done next.

yolofish Tue 31-Jan-17 23:21:22

yes ungoogleable I have not been this frightened about the world since the cold war, early 80s when everything was about nuclear annihilation. However I think this will be more of a slow burn, more of the 1930s Germany than a quick bang. (sorry for the nasty images, I live within sight of a nuclear power station, DH and I have always said that if the world goes up this would be the place to be)

GingerIvy Tue 31-Jan-17 23:22:01

Elizabeth Warren makes me grin. She tells the Senate about Rex Tillerson.... "Does he really think we're that dumb?"

amispartacus Tue 31-Jan-17 23:22:04

This video is lovely - it's Spencer Cox, a Republican Lieutenant Governer talking about the response to the LGBT shootings in Orlando

www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2kbPZataqQ

Usually when tragedy occurs, we see our nation come together. I was saddened, yesterday to see far too many retreating to their over-worn policy corners and demagoguery. Let me be clear, there are no simple policy answers to this tragedy. Beware of anyone who tells you that they have the easy solution. It doesn’t exist. And I can assure you this — that calling people idiots, communists, fascists or bigots on Facebook is not going to change any hearts or minds. Today we need fewer Republicans and fewer Democrats. Today we need more Americans.

But just because an easy solution doesn’t exist, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. The greatest generations in the history of the world were never innately great. They became great because of how they responded in the face of evil. Their humanity is measured by their response to hate and terror.

I truly believe that this is the defining issue of our generation. Can we be brave? Can we be strong? Can we be kind and, perhaps, even happy, in the face of atrocious acts of hate and terrorism? Do we find a way to unite? Or do these atrocities further corrode and divide our torn nation? Can we, the citizens of the great state of Utah, lead the nation with love in the face of adversity? Can WE become a greatest generation

I promise we can. But I also promise it will never happen if we leave it to the politicians. Ultimately, there is only one way for us to come together. It must happen at a personal level. We must learn to truly love one another.

The Prophet Muhammad is reported to have said: “You will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another.”

Jesus said, “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you.”

Now, you know a little something about hate. And you know a little something about persecution. But you also know something about loving, blessing and doing good. What our country needs more than ever is less politics and more kindness. If nothing else, as we can see here tonight, this tragedy has the potential to bring us closer than ever before.

And so may we leave today, with a resolve to be a little kinder. May we try to listen more and talk less. May we forgive someone that has wronged us. And perhaps, most importantly, try to love someone that is different than us.

woman12345 Tue 31-Jan-17 23:22:37

UnGoogleablemy reply is on other thread . Yes, it is!

Destinysdaughter Tue 31-Jan-17 23:23:23

This thread is keeping me sane!
V addictive tho

woman12345 Tue 31-Jan-17 23:24:44

amispartacus lovely, so true

charlestrenet Tue 31-Jan-17 23:26:10

Hello. I haven't posted on previous threads so I hope you don't mind me putting my oar in. Ever since Brexit I feel like I've been living in some kind of weird fucked up version of reality when it comes to politics and it genuinely wouldn't surprise me to turn on the Today programme to hear that May is flying through the sky going "nyah" and shitting rainbows.

PausingFlatly Tue 31-Jan-17 23:26:10

That's my understanding too. If those tweets were factually accurate.

brasty Tue 31-Jan-17 23:27:09

My DP keeps saying not to get obsessed with what is happening.

GingerIvy Tue 31-Jan-17 23:27:39

CNN International ‏@cnni 3m3 minutes ago
More
20,000 people called us to share feelings about Trump's travel ban. Listen to the voices of some who support it: cnn.it/2jSFWhW

Very depressing one.

But... I was enraged by the stupidity as well.

"I feel safer walking down the street." Really ? Why? Clearly you are happy to believe the lies you're being told- you are now LESS SAFE.

"I came here legally as a refugee from Latvia, and I just wish all the others would go the legal route as well like I did." HELLO?!?! The people that were being turned away DID go the legal route! They were turned back, detained, deported!!! You don't sneak into the country illegally on a major airline!! You have to go through customs - you have to show your passport! FFS. Are they on GLUE?!?!?

ojalele Tue 31-Jan-17 23:28:17

@ungoogleable - I'm the same with my DH. I do agree a little that we (the media) are oversensationalising thing somewhat. After all it is all very exciting in a scary kind of way. But I can't help to be horrified by what is happening.

Also, yes Trump did say during his campaign that he would do the things he is doing. He also faced criticism when he did so. So he shouldn't be surprised that he is criticised now!

UnGoogleable Tue 31-Jan-17 23:28:28

Thanks yolo and woman - I'm trying to be upbeat when people talk about it, I keep telling them of all the wonderful resistance movements I'm seeing from my many friends in the US. But it's pretty fucking terrifying if I'm honest.

And DH just brushes it off. It's not the misogyny - I'd never call him a misogynist, but at the same time he doesn't fully understand it - it's more the casual racism that he doesn't find outrageous. I'm trying to tell myself that it's because he was brought up in a strongly conservative household who didn't bother educating themselves about the world. I try my best to show him what's really going on. His entire family voted for Brexit to 'keep the muslims out' despite the fact that one of them owns a holiday home in Europe and another lives with an Italian in London... they fail to see the irony... . He voted remain... I have some hope...

PausingFlatly Tue 31-Jan-17 23:29:23

Pull up a seat, charles - this is a great thread. The best!

ojalele Tue 31-Jan-17 23:29:34

An with 'we (the media)' I really meant 'we (or is it actually the media?)'.

HoHumming Tue 31-Jan-17 23:29:56

placemarking.

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