ADs happily share Dave Grohl whilst running in the dark?

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Checking in. to those dealing with family trauma on top of everything else right now.

Just thought id drop this on page 1 of the new thread.
If my electric goes (due to Eons incompetence) so does my lockdown compliance.

That little ray of sunshine John Edmunds was on Peston.

To all those struggling

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/11/matt-hancock-to-publish-plans-to-give-ministers-more-power-over-nhs?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1613002768

Checking in and big hugs to those dealing with lockdown and family trauma .

Strange how the answer to any challenge to a dementor is "but....variants" when all scientists have said that the current variants aren't an issue as far as the vaccine goes.....

So, tell me again why it matters that infections will rise when we lift lockdown if these infections don't translate to hospitalisations and deaths?

Livin,

If you actually want an answer as to why variants matter (as opposed to an echo chamber) is that we currently believe that the South African variant has at least partially achieved ‘vaccine escape’. This is when vaccines cease to be effective.

Viruses evolve to escape vaccines. The more infections there are, the greater the number of random mutations. The greater the number of random mutations, the greater the likelihood of a combination of them leading to vaccine escape.

Virtually all scientists agree that keeping infections low while we vaccinate the population is the way to get back to normal as soon as possible.

Luckily, Covid is a slow mutator, so, with infections low we can build a new vaccine annually to cope with new variations.

Viruses want to survive so in most cases, they become less deadly as they mutate. I think the media and government are pushing the ‘but variants’ to delay the inevitable mass awakening. At least I hope there will be a mass awakening.

Morning all.

On mutations, one theory why India has a relatively low fatality rate compared to number of cases is that the virus is so widespread that it's had lots of chance to mutate to be more infectious, and (as is generally the way) more infectious versions are less lethal. (This is because a virus that makes you feel very ill has less chance to spread, as you will be out and about, than one that causes you mild inconvenience, under normal circumstances. Of course, lockdown, track and trace, etc mean we're not operating under those circumstances, so we're not giving it as good a chance for a milder variant to take over.)

Sorry, what are ADs? I thought it was Anti depressants? I don't understand the thread title? Came on looking for Dave Grohl comments and am confused

Checking in.

to everyone having a hard time. Really hoping the weather changes soon which should at least make the unbearable boring walks a bit nicer.

I meant you won't be out and about if a virus makes you feel very ill.

Checking in, thanks for the new thread (though Dave Grohl does nothing for me, you can keep him).

I hope (and on good days believe) that all the talk about variants is to keep everyone scared and compliant while the hospital admissions fall to a manageable level and the vaccine programme does its stuff. It’s clear even from MN that there’s going to be a lot of non-compliance once more people have been vaccinated.

Someone very sensible from Sage was giving evidence to the Commons on Tuesday and said that if, as hoped, the vaccine programme means that people who catch it get ‘a sniffle ‘, that’s absolutely fine and we can live with that and get back to normal. I wish there were more voices like that.

What are ADs?

Here's the copy and paste job...

Definition of AD
^AD stands for anti dementor.
There are creatures in Harry Potter called dementors, who suck all hope and happiness from you and eventually take your soul. Way back at the start of the pandemic thread after thread was posted on by posters like this and anyone who'd dare question anything or disagree with anything (like putting cheese in your coffee) was bullied off these threads. And so any actual discussion disappeared and it became an echo chamber of misery.

We are the antidote to that. We follow the rules, but not the "roolz" and we question and discuss with respect to each other. It's all very civil.

@drramsesemerson
Someone very sensible from Sage was giving evidence to the Commons on Tuesday and said that if, as hoped, the vaccine programme means that people who catch it get ‘a sniffle ‘, that’s absolutely fine and we can live with that and get back to normal
Strange how "SAGE doctor says things could get better" doesn't get a headline isn't it?

Checking in and LOVING the new title thread!

[quote LivinLaVidaLoki]@drramsesemerson
Someone very sensible from Sage was giving evidence to the Commons on Tuesday and said that if, as hoped, the vaccine programme means that people who catch it get ‘a sniffle ‘, that’s absolutely fine and we can live with that and get back to normal
Strange how "SAGE doctor says things could get better" doesn't get a headline isn't it?[/quote]
This is what's grinding me down. The data trends are good. The vaccine programme is astonishingly sucessful. But the news is getting more and more negative and hysterical.

At this moment, I just need the children back in school for everyone's wellbeing, and I can not see any reason why that can not resume in the near future given that we managed to steady cases off in November while they were in as near usual. And this time the season is on our side, and moving away from the worst of the respiritory illness season.

And yes, about variations/ mutations. There were already localised variations identified late last spring and it was possible to track the route of introduction in to a country. It's dreadful how the media is mangling language to make it sound like any variation/ mutation is a mutant like something in a Marvel movie. It's not automatically bad, and generally trend better over time or it's a crap path of evolution/ survival.

I'm sure that the government is pushing this agenda to keep the masses from charging off to see granny within three hours of her first vaccine, and then they'll do a U-turn to their optomistic personality shortly before Easter... but the social damage is deep. There were low-risk people who unnecessarily squandered last summer who didn't realise that the risks were low at that point, and didn't take up lower risk opportunities outside that were avaliable, which really hasn't helped as winter closed in.

I'm finding it tough to keep limping on each day until there is some easing of the situation.

You will probably all like this Spectator article which articulates what you all believe (and I, in part, believe as well).

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/article/stresses-and-strains-the-evolution-of-covid-is-not-random/amp

However, there are counter examples, smallpox being the most obvious. It is spread (mainly) through droplets and prolonged face to face contact, but never evolved to be mild. Ebola Reston, where the US dodged a bullet, was a mutated strain of Ebola, which spread through aerosol. Took out a whole troop of monkeys.

It is complex and the best way out is still herd immunity via vaccination (like smallpox), not natural infection.

I’m happy to have any leftover Dave Grohl if people don’t want their share!

Talking to a couple of friends lately who have been absolute BDs throughout the last year and they’ve said 1 April is their deadline. If restrictions haven’t started to be lifted then they will meet up inside with family and friends regardless.

Saw an interesting comment the other day which said we need to think of lockdown as being locked up and restrictions as being infringements on our liberties.

Thanks @TheReluctantPhoenix that sounds interesting. I'll have a read in my break later.

Checking in.

Hurray for a new thread.

Much love to all of you dealing with such tough family stuff on top of the usual Covid BS.

Checking in! Does Dave do housework? If not, someone else can have my share.

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Currently crying in the spare room. Dh has taken the kids to the park. Their birthdays are coming up and we can't afford much and I just feel like crap about it. I know it's nothing to cry about but I feel on the edge anyway. Kids have been up since 6:30 and nothing has pleased them. They've cried and complained all morning.

Haven't got much time but managed to dash to Tesco to find that the party decorations isle had been corned off. Non essential.

There are restrictions everywhere.

Anyone see the photo of people queuing outside in the snow in Scotland last night? 😖

I feel like a pressure cooker.