Didn't get a role - but they want the work I presented

[HarraKiri]

I applied for an internal role, of which I had to do a presentation on how I would implement a new strategy.

I didn't get the role - a more qualified outside candidate. Fine.

HOWEVERRR my manager (who was on the panel) has said that my presentation was really great and would be so useful for the new starter, and can I email it over to her.

I don't want them to have it. It was EXCELLENT (biased), and it's frustrating that they acknowledge it is excellent but I'm not good enough to be the one to implement it. How would you address this request?

Ah shame you deleted it.

Be honest
Im pleased you think my presentation is great but sadly it wasn’t enough for me to secure the post so I do not see why my work should be handed over to ease the induction of the new employee, so on this occasion I’m sorry but no you cannot have my presentation.

Oh sorry, but my work is obviously not what you were looking for! I'm sure your new candidate has a much better strategy!

I think I'd do this.

All of these posts saying save it to apply for your next job - total BS. It'll be company specific if it's of this much value they've asked for it.

Who knows how the new starter will do?

Wait and see for a bit (apply elsewhere in the meantime if something good comes up.)

When you leave and the new person works out less well without your guidance....KARMA!

"I'm sorry but as you can imagine I'm disappointed that you decided to go with a different, external, candidate rather than filling the role internally. As a result, this request feels inappropriate - especially as I am sure you would not have asked an external candidate for a copy of their presentation.

I am also convinced that, having selected a more suitable candidate, any suggestions in my presentation would be seen as inferior to their own strategy vision and that any proposals involving my own strategy would be perceived as interference.

I trust you can understand that for these reasons I am unable to consent to my presentation being shared outside of the interview process."

Thanks all for the responses. I was annoyed at the CFery of it.

It's a new role to manage a whole team that I have lobbied for (previously just me working on this), and provided all the evidence in why these roles are needed etc. They hired the rest of the team (who will fall below me) and then I didn't get the management role, as I have no management experience (well duh - I didn't have a team to manage!) I demonstrated well (I think) how I manage relationships within work and how those skills are transferable to managing a team, and outlined the skills I have that would make me good at it.

And for the strategy presentation, she said they preferred my strategy and presentation, but the other candidate has experience on successfully implementing other strategies before, whereas I've never done one from scratch, so have no proven experience in it.

It's demoralising - how can I get the management experience, or prove that I can deliver a strategy, if I'm not given roles and chances to demonstrate this. I handed over the presentation, and am going to look for other roles. I am bloody excellent at what I do (biased), and my manager is partly just shit, and partly doesn't want to lose me in the role I do, because I do it so well, and she doesn't want to rehire it again I think, plus in my current role, I fall far enough below her that she hands over lots of "her" area of work for me to do, and she'd lose that if I was a more senior role. Maybe I'm just still bitter though 😂

Absolutely shocking op.

Apply for other roles and ask for significantly more money

Talk about crap management!!

Wonder how your colleagues will take to the new person???

Big mistake from your manager, very shortsighted

Yeah, that is so bad of them. They clearly weren’t going to give you the job but wanted to hear your ideas.

in this situation, I’d be looking for another place. Their politics don’t serve you. And no, don’t give them anymore. They’re royally taking the mick.

if you can’t/don’t want to go. A simple “you had your chances” is enough. It is, unfortunately, absolutely ok for them to take your ideas given during the interview and pass them on to the person they hired. If that new person come to you….I wouldn’t help him/her either.

Ask for a secondment into the project as a
deputy

Make it very clear to your manager how ypu
Feel

honestly op, they just thought they will keep you doing the job without having the job. They will ask you to “support the new person” and to help her with implementation. They just didn’t want you.

I’d get out now. And you will have an extremely good reason to explain why. Just apply to management role and explain exactly what you have said :”I did the whole job, they hired somebody else”. Someone smart will hire you and finger cross with a good jump in paycheck.

good luck 🤞🏼

If the role requires someone with team management experience and experience in implementing a strategy and you have neither, I can see why it makes sense for the organisation to select someone else. It would have been a great opportunity for you to take it on, but a big risk for them. As an insider, it doesn't surprise me your strategy was stronger.

Can't you work with the new recruit to support them and therefore pick up the skills and experience you're lacking?

'No sorry, I'm saving the presentation for new job interviews'

Grow up for starters and act professionally.

I would go back to the line manager and say. I'm happy that you recognise my experience and insight in this company, but where do you see my future, professional growth and advancement in the company?

I would also give the presentation to the new person with good grace. It demonstatrates your level of intelligence and company insight.

Hint. Your presentation has no other value to any one else. People will not weep or talk about it for years to come.

And I would cultivate a professional relationship with the new person. They obviously have qualities and experience that your company is looking for. So make it your business to find out what those are.

You'll be far happier and in a far better position professionally, if you develop a good working relationship with the new person.

an entirely new team managed by someone with zero management experience ? and
less experience of implementation?

surely no brainer that you weren’t successful

Give them an altered version OP. IE take the great bits out , let them paddle their own canoe 😂

yes yes and yes

Haven't RTFT but from the first few pages, I'm surprised that nobody's looked at this from the perspective of the new hire!

Fair enough for your manager to suggest that you share knowledge with her in your capacity as existing staff. This could include ideas in the presentation. If you're already quite close to the job she should be asking for your input, formally or otherwise anyway.

But to suggest just emailing her the presentation is bonkers! It'll come across as you wanting her job, doubting her capabilities etc and basically get you off on the wrong foot.

Seriously. Just do nothing. As dumb as your manager is, I doubt he's going to ask her 'did Harrakiri send you her presentation, oh you know the one she made for the job that you got instead of her.'

Id hand over the template of the power point with 'notes' but not the full thing, tell them you deleted it

This happened to me a few years back. My
LM was on the panel of interviewers for a promotion that I went for. I didn’t get it (no real reason given only the successful candidate had more exp) but afterwards she asked for my presentation. I thought about what to do and in the end I shared as I thought taking the high ground was the best thing to do.

Looking back now, my LM had always tried to keep me down and as it turned out it was her who blocked me getting the role. After she left the company I applied for another promotion in another part of the company and got it - and I proved myself there and to the others who were on the panel back then. It was made clear to me that people then knew what she had done - so in the end she tarnished only her own reputation.

Sometimes taking the high ground is the best approach. Bigger and better things will come your way :)

Hi OP. I take a middle ground approach here. Yes, you had to pass on your presentation. This is not the new hires fault and I’d work with her in good faith. Your manager seems like an arse. I’d do two things:

1. engage with your managers on how you can professionally develop and be competitive for these roles in future… maybe a 2ic role?
2. look for a new job. It’s often true that the only opportunity for advancement and salary increases involve a job change.

Given they knew all of that, why bother interviewing her in the first place, if she never stood a chance?

Hand it over, smile, and leave. :)

There was a study recently which showed that the best way to fast career progress is to move companies, trying to do the same within the same company is usually far less successful (they looked at employees over their careers and compared those who’d moved companies with those that stayed).

If I was you, I’d start looking now for something better externally.