Didn't get a role - but they want the work I presented

[HarraKiri]

I applied for an internal role, of which I had to do a presentation on how I would implement a new strategy.

I didn't get the role - a more qualified outside candidate. Fine.

HOWEVERRR my manager (who was on the panel) has said that my presentation was really great and would be so useful for the new starter, and can I email it over to her.

I don't want them to have it. It was EXCELLENT (biased), and it's frustrating that they acknowledge it is excellent but I'm not good enough to be the one to implement it. How would you address this request?

Just to put another option out there. You could offer it to them for a price. Depending on what it was, what you feel it's worth £5K, £10K? etc.

I don't blame you for not wanting to give it to them though. Cheeky Fuckers. I once got declined an internal promotion, instead they took on an external candidate that did not have any relevant qualifications or experience in the industry (which was crucial for the role), anyway, they made me bloody train him up!!! I spent YEARS gaining my qualifications at my own expense. I ended up training him in the BASICS of the job role, but as for the technical expertise of the job, I told him he'd have to go and do the qualifications.

I left as soon as I could after that.

Thanks for your kind offer for me to share my original work with a new colleague to implement as part of the role I unsuccessfully applied for.

However I don't think it's appropriate and feel sure that new colleague would prefer to implement their own work.

Fuck off and die. Merry Christmas.

Presuming the person appointed hasn’t started yet, you could send the PDF to your manager, copying in the relevant directors, accompanied my an email with your further suggestions on the strategy. This way you get credited for your work and you are seen as a team player. You have to share it, so you may as well get some credit for your ideas / work.

Manager piggybacking off of you as they’re so incompetent they need to steal your ideas.

But, unless OP comes back and can prove she never used her inside knowledge of the company to produce this presentation (which I would find almost impossible as anyone applying for an internal role would use their in-house knowledge) its technically their IP as it’s insider knowledge. If it’s in their employment contract morality doesn’t matter - it can be shit I agree, but employment contracts are going to be on the side of the employer not the employee.

Fuck em. Say you deleted it already.

I don't think this can be considered an internal interview because there were also outside candidates.

OP will have had to work on this in her own time. In her position, I'd be telling the requestor to take a running jump.

Absolutely not !! Just ignore the email ...

You win the thread.

This request actually undermines the claim that the other candidate was superior and there may be a legal risk to the company from that.

So how does the external candidate give their presentation then?

ok, some companies may stupidly allow people to bring in usb sticks - but no company with any sense.

Universities practically run on USB sticks and external drives, to the perpetual irritation of the IT staff.

It is always a good plan to try and word things in such a way that they make the receipient go:
"........Oh bugger.........."!
as they read between the lines and then have to think up some damage limitation.

Only if the appointment process consisted of only this single presentation.

If you did it in your own time charge them. If you did it in work time it’s theirs anyway.

A clause such as that would not stand up on its own. If I write a song at home and it becomes a hit, my employer does not have intellectual property on it.

Something can only be deemed intellectual property legally if it meets the requirements for a patent, copyright or design. However good this presentation is, I doubt it meets intellectual property requirements.

Presumably they already have a copy of your presentation and are seeking your permission to use it for other purposes than the interview assessment.
If that is the case how you answer depends on what you want longer term.

You do not understand intellectual property law.
OP's presentation is very unlikely to meet intellectual property law. And if someone pulled this bullshit quasi legal argument you are using on me I would be hard balled and insisting no way.

I'd tell them "I deleted it after being told I hadn't got the job, as thought it wouldn't be required".

I'd also probably also add "I'm sure the successful candidate's presentation would be more helpful to them in any case, so best for them to use that".

#teampetty

I'd 100% be looking for a new job, as your current organisation is undervaluing your skillset.

Wont the new member of staff also require your support to implement it?

Most contracts have an IP clause saying anything created during your contracted hours/duties is considered their IP (sometimes even wider than this), so if it was during work hours it would probably fall under this, she’d need to check her contract around this to be sure.

@CantHaveTooMuchChocolate I highly doubt a presentation meets the legal definition of intellectual property.

I don’t think the company own your presentation - it wasn’t done on work time (and if it was you say it wasn’t) and doesn’t contribute to a current role activity, it was additional personal work for a job interview.

i think I’d say very politely I’m sure you have confidence in your new hire and the plan they will develop, I am sure they won’t want to work to one of the other candidates plans.

Don’t allow yourself to be used like that! Say no and mean it. They want another candidate but with your work, it’s a total cheek!!!

Say yes, happy to talk it through with new starter but decline to send file.