Didn't get a role - but they want the work I presented

[HarraKiri]

I applied for an internal role, of which I had to do a presentation on how I would implement a new strategy.

I didn't get the role - a more qualified outside candidate. Fine.

HOWEVERRR my manager (who was on the panel) has said that my presentation was really great and would be so useful for the new starter, and can I email it over to her.

I don't want them to have it. It was EXCELLENT (biased), and it's frustrating that they acknowledge it is excellent but I'm not good enough to be the one to implement it. How would you address this request?

This!

Sorry, I put it together in my own time and deleted it when I didn't get the job however I'm sure the more experienced new worker will have plenty of ideas of their own they would want to use.

i very much doubt they’re all that bothered about whether the OP gives or not. If it was that good… she’d have got the job

So if you don’t want to hand it over OP, just don’t respond to the request. I suspect they won’t chase for it

Even if she did it in her own time, if she used any of her work experience to build on it, or company resources, still likely it’s their intellectual property.
be very careful to check your contract.

Just say you deleted it as soon as you heard you didn't get the job.

Op, read your contract first and understand your companies position on intellectual property.

if your presentation is their property under that you don’t really have an option and your manager, whilst less than tactless, was being fair in asking you rather than telling you.

BUT, as others have said there’s a whole bunch of reasons why you may not hav3 been offered the role. This request and acknowledgement of your excellent work, is a doorway to sit with manager and say that you’re disappointed, and a bit taken aback you’ve now been told to pass your work to your “competitor” in that interview process and obviously feeling frustrated by this. You could add, as other have suggested, that the successful candidate will surely want to do the tasks in their own way and that you trying to impose your views or thoughts could be taken the wrong way and lead to difficulty in your working relationship? How can this be avoided? Basically make it known formally you’re not happy but accept it as a smal dunk you’ll have to do it anyway. Then, as others have said, ask SPECIFICALLY for why you weren’t offered the job given your presentation and ideas were so good? Ask for direct feedback in form of STARs where you need to improv3 so that you can progress and be promoted. (if you don’t know what STARs are look up- and make sure you start to build a “bank” of STARs for your next interview opportunity- they can make a massive difference to how you come across !

yes, it’s frustrating, but could open a door to your self awareness on what you need to do to improve in future?

I would certainly feel like being passive aggressive too but sometimes it makes more sense to rant on Mumsnet and then make a more levelled approach.

Indeed. Sometimes a more pragmatic approach works.
I was annoyed at first but it worked out well in the end.

I'm literally in the middle of a job change over this kind of BS. They hired someone from outside to assume responsibility/credit for everything I had spent 18 months building.

Just ignore the request / look for a new job.

In my situation the new joiner has now landed with no new work and has revealed her actual business plan (which is basically what I'd been doing for 18 months. I'm leaving (next Wednesday) with nothing but dry barren land left for the new joiner. She can sink or swim on her own merits.

I suggest you take the same approach.

Depends what she used to produce it.

What if OP was an external candidate, would the presentation still be the company’s intellectual property?

Or what if she was interviewing at a different company and utilised her experience and knowledge from her current role in her presentation. Would that presentation belong to her current company, or the one she interviewed with?

If she were to write a romance novel on her lunch break every day or during quiet moments in her job, does that belong to her company too?!

This all sounds very very woolly to me, with a lot of grey area.

If it was a presentation she’d written and performed as part of the job she is under contract and being paid for, that her manager ordered her to do, then yes - it would belong to the company as she produced it under their instructions and in line with her job description and duties.

But a job interview, whether internal or external, isn’t the same situation at all. This is something she has chosen to do, completely outside of her contracted role has absolutely no bearing on her current duties or job description.

Shocking they'd ask!
I'd say "I'm sorry, I must have misheard"

People advocating deleting? You do know that if she shared it in an interview it’ll be downloaded somewhere in company assets, and that most companies have back ups running pretty constantly.

in my ex company it’d have taken me around a manager around 5 mins to ask IT to run through backups and Restore deleted file . Id have probably go a copy of it in next 2 working days🤷🏼‍♀️

deletng something very very rarely destroys it

Saying she’s deleted it will ONLY work if she produced it in her own time, on her own home commuter, using no knowledge or experience acquired through her experiences with the company, no company resources, and used a home purchased USB to present through the company asset without downloading at all.

and most companies wouldn’t be so daft as to allow someone to insert a USB form home or even download a file via email for fear of introducing viruses into company systems.
🤦‍♀️

Absolutely fucking not. That is extraordinarily cheeky of her to ask.

If you’re planning on staying I think you’ll have to reluctantly share it, this is cheeky as fuck though. Perhaps send it as .pdf or a printed copy out of pettiness.

Absolute cheek. What a nerve. Refuse.

That's an absolute no from me!
I'd say I'm flattered but no I'd like to decline, thank you

@Dartwarbler She needs to check her HR policies- in my company that’d be a disciplinary action. We weren’t allowed to download to persoval devices or hard drives. Intellectual property is theirs. not if she did it at home!!

How much time did you work on the presentation? Say, 4h. I would ask for a half a day off in lieu. Win win, you get time
off + manager’s goodwill.

On another note, did the other candidate have skills that you don’t? Knowledge of a specific technology or language that is useful for the role? Or experience that you don’t have? The whole interview process is not just based on the presentation I imagine.

Doesn't sound like her manager is bright enough to do that.

How would outside candidates show their presentation if they couldn't bring their own USB from home?

OP there is no way I'd hand it over. Your manager sounds like a complete CF.

That would really annoy me!

I think I would just ignore the email
request. Hope they don’t have the nerve to keep asking/ask to your face.

Be polite and professional but look for other roles.

Or that it was very clear and well put together so they want their new staff to start on an excellent footing

That's infuriating but I agree a measured approach is it best one.

Have a chat with your manager, explain your disappointment. I'd also point out that the new start may not be amused to be handed your plan and that you don't want to get off on the wrong foot with them.

This is good. You wouldn’t want to undermine the new starter, OP…..

I would probably not hand it over if they asked by email. Let them buy the balls to ask you in person. In which case I would say the email probably landed in spam (where it belongs).
Am sad and angry for you. I hope you get a better job or manager that will value you. This happens to a friend at a global bank. They didn't pick her for the role, picked an external candidate then asked her to coach and backstop this person because they had no experience in that field. Yet they had found it OK to offer her the post which would have been a promotion for my friend. R.C.Holes

Tell them to shove it up their shit chutes!