Therese Coffey 'Nurses can leave if they want to'

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I for one as a nurse will be voting for industrial action. Therese Coffey 'we will just get nurses from abroad if our nurses choose to leave' beggars belief and shows her utter contempt for nurses AND patients reflecting this government's stance on the general population of this country. They are the nastiest party I remember in living memory. Any nurses out there? What's the consensus?

PPs might want to wonder why there are currently 40k? unfilled vacancies even without further nurses leaving the profession if it's so easy to import workers?

Careful now, introducing logic and facts to the conversation is obviously too difficult for some of these posters to deal with

its interesting that its not being reported now - I saw it on news websites last night, but this morning gone except the original

nursingnotes.co.uk/news/nurses-can-leave-if-they-want-to-they-have-already-had-a-pay-rise-says-therese-coffey/

original: www.standard.co.uk/news/health/therese-coffey-nurses-dont-need-pay-rise-government-helped-cost-living-b1032055.html

Please can the wider public inform themselves of modern nursing roles before they make statements like we don't need degrees and employ zero critical thinking merely trotting across to the dr to escalate.
Nurses now hold their own clinics, diagnose prescribe, and follow up their own caseloads of patients. I for one have not only supported Drs but on occasion - as every nurse will tell you - had to take action to avoid a dangerous prescribing incident - and this at times at Consultant level - where severe harm would have befallen the patient. I have a masters degree. Nurses must keep up to date on education and engage in constant professional development... no longer are nurses just mopping brows (though we would like to) .. and as another nurse points out, ward-based nurses are highly skilled practitioners in their own right who give dialysis, chemotherapy, perform stem cell transplants. They interpret complex blood results and ECGs themselves and escalate as necessary. Hospital coordinators are nurses. They run the show. So those who think that nurses don't need degrees or engage in critical thinking and decision-making, Please inform yourselves before you upload these types of comments.

It makes the obvious point that immigration and recruiting foreign workers drives down pay an working conditions. You don't like your job we will recruit from abroad. That's why being anti immigration is actually what the party of the workers Labour party should be focusing on.

If enough general strikes happen, hopefully it will lead to a GE.

Holby effect !
Doctors telling off nurses and bossing them about.
My favourite was a doctor pondering why a nurse was late on shift😂 plane crashed on her car on the way to Holby

Nurses maintain lives following doctor's instructions or routine. There is limited critical decision making involved and, where there is, the responsibility lies with those more senior. Hence doctors and surgeons are paid more.

Doctors do not line manage or have any involvement in nursing routines ( routine is considered institutional neglect,patient care is individualised, discussed and agreed with patients who have autonomy over their own lives and bodies )
Nurses manage wards and nurses and a very Senior nurse is the ultimate authority in charge of a hospital trust on each shift
Doctors manage doctors, they have no role anywhere in nursing management and,are not "in charge"
They prescribe medical care, overall care is discussed and agreed at daily MDT meetings with all professions involved,nurses advocate for the patient, although Drs are now much better at this.
It is the duty of nurses to be responsible for the care they give , within their own scope of practice, to monitor and escalate concerns.
There is no Dr on their shoulder telling them what to do.
The crisis in the NHS, in ED, admissions, pharmacy, labs,nursing, medicine means that ultimately what stands between the patient and disaster is nurses.
We are at the bedside
I would say in the last few weeks Ive stopped 100s of minor errors ( 1 in 10 hospital prescriptions) several major and 3 potentially fatal, one would have been absolutely fatal( wrong drug form dispensed, if injected into the bloodstream.
Is that enough or do you all still think we are useless?

My DD was an HCA. HCAs do not need a degree. They follow orders from the nurses (not doctors) and even then their role is a lot more than changing dressings and bedpans etc.

As an HCA, my DD would attend multi-disciplinary meetings and contribute to care plans, have to write up notes daily on the patients, liaise with families, do daily vitals (blood pressure, temperature checks etc). The only difference was she couldn't give medication alone.

I think people are thinking of HCA responsibilities when they say that nurses don't need to be degree educated or are only following doctors orders.

On the ward my DD worked in, the one doctor for the ward would zoom in once a day from his home in a European country. Everything else that happened on the ward was the responsibility of the nurses.

Of course they deserve to be paid a decent wage.

I hope there are enough nurses if you end up in hospital.

@Hudsonriver

"Holby effect !
Doctors telling off nurses and bossing them about.
My favourite was a doctor pondering why a nurse was late on shift😂 plane crashed on her car on the way to Holby"

😂👏 ppl think Holby is a docu 🤣 there lies the root of all our problems are perceptions of nursing is concerned

Thank god its finished!

She clearly doesn't value Nurses. I was a Nurse for 30 years, so glad I left. Prior to covid I would have said that with extra duty payments , good pension etc the pay is not bad but after seeing what some Nurses went through during covid I do think they should have a pay increase. The again during covid some fared a lot worse than others.

But I thought one of the main ‘selling points’ of Brexit was the promise that without cheap foreign labour, UK wages would rise. Supply and demand, no undercutting....

Instead we are bringing in workers from elsewhere.....

Where are the promises, where are the wage rises?

Yeah that was just to get the racist, get out of my country,british jobs for british workers vote.
Now its all woe is me
No shop workers, baristas,cleaners, nurses, doctors, dentists how terrible 🤔
Turkeys and christmas anyone?

First and foremost, I was always told nursing is a vocation

A sense of vocation is not enough to keep you going when you are underpaid and overworked. NHS and Education have both been reliant on goodwill for many years now and that's why they are crumbling as staff have had enough.

These are the NHS pay bands - not specifically nursing.
My manager, with responsibility of 3 departments on 3 sites, totalling about 40 staff, and ‘buck-stops-here’ responsibility for the whole process, is an 8a.
There aren’t many nurses in similar bands and if they are, they are effectively management, albeit in a nursing role.
It not a case of working your way up the bands step by step til you hit bands 9 - most are 5s.

Solidarity with nurses from this teacher.

People trying to tell nurses that actually they have great pay and working conditions should really wonder why, in that case, we are so short of them. It’s the same argument used against teachers.

I hope if (when) teachers go on strike we don’t see the ‘selfish teachers closing schools means nurses can’t go to work’ arguments rolled out. The people causing problems for both teachers and nurses are the Tory government and we need to be united and avoid attempts to pit us against each other.

….written by a sad loser, who’s likely got no qualifications and is on benefits 🙄

It was a vocation when it was a suitable thing for naice girls to do before they married a rich man.
Its not 1950, pillow plumping and a "jolly well done" when someone opens their bowels doesnt cut it !

Its a highly skilled profession, see my examples above.
All those saying 27K is enough.
You can earn that in Lidl.
Its the degree of responsibility that RNs have thats the issue and the reason why they are leaving in droves.
Can people explain why the general public want to keep nurses down, want to believe they are unskilled when its easy to prove otherwise?
Why the insistence that they shouldnt be well educated?
Its a form of self harm 😅

What a monster of a women Coffey is! The absolute state of her! By the looks of her she’s not in the best of health! I hope there’s no nurses to look after her when she needs any treatment or medical intervention.

Absolutely. Teachers have it shockingly bad too. As do many people on minimum wages. I wish the public would start working together to change teachers v nurses v tesco workers into underpaid working people v the elite that are ripping us all off.

Sorry was replying to the " vocation" poster not @conkercollector

With her comment and the RCN found not fit for purpose it just shows how much contempt there is for nurses and nursing students, no wonder we are all leaving.

Also it's misleading to say that 9% of salary goes on student loans - it's 9% of salary above 21k. Besides, all graduates have to pay this.

Actually for graduates since 2015 it's 9% above £27k. But that's not really the biggest issue.

Spent much time working on a ward in an NHS hospital recently? Conditions are unsafe for everyone - staff and patients alike. Nurses have every right to make noise about that. Somebody needs to!