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To the non-vaxxers who work for the NHS- do we have a leg to stand on?

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LMonkey · 05/11/2021 16:55

So it's looking like vaccines will become mandatory for all NHS workers from April next year...where on earth can we go fro here?
I really dont want to get in to a vaccine debate. I have strong feelings as to why I don't want the vaccine. I'm a med sec and don't see any patients any way, or go anywhere near them. But regardless of this I strongly feel NOBODY should be forced to have any vaccine. Do we have a leg to stand on? I mean it's not lawful to force an employee to have a vaccine but if the government make it compulsory for nhs staff is there any way round it do you think? This really is causing me enormous amounts of stress. I really don't know what to do (please don't anyone say "get the vaccine"). I'd love to hear from others in the same boat or from a legal standpoint.

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pointythings · 10/11/2021 20:06

Daggers78 nobody has the right to be free of the consequences of their choices.

Many NHS Trusts do check the vaccination status of their patient facing staff in terms of Hep B and so on and enforce vaccination if there is no immunity. The COVID vaxx is no different.

And yes, the rules do change for people who are already in post. That's life. There was that registrar in London who was an evangelical Christian who didn't want to do same sex civil ceremonies. I recall he didn't get very far. And rightly so.

Vaccination is the best way to protect everyone from COVID. Don't want to be vaccinated? Fine, but expect that to have consequences for you.

Mythroatisstillsore · 10/11/2021 20:10

It's basic human rights to have a choice as to what goes in our body. Let the people who want to be vaccinated get vaccinated. And people who don't wish to shouldn't be coerced into it or judged. Respect eachothers choices. We are all human.

You are affecting a whole load of other people though if you don't! Look at the situation in Germany right now, alarming figures, 4th wave, pretty much all down to unvaccinated patients who are now blocking beds. It affects everyone if you choose not to have it that's the massive problem!

Frederica852 · 10/11/2021 20:10

Your choices are to find another job or have the vaccine.
I work in the private sector and we are considering implementing a requirement to be fully vaccinated in order to come into our office.

Mythroatisstillsore · 10/11/2021 20:12

Julie is unvaxxed and feels too ill to go in to work because she has covid symptoms, so she's sitting at home

Mary is vaxxed, has caught covid but has no symptoms thanks to the vax, so she's sitting with all her patients"

That's just daft, swap around vaxxed and unvaxxed and you could have exactly the same scenario

MauraandLaura · 10/11/2021 20:13

What I dont get is if people are triple vaccinated why do they care if other people are not.

How can an unvaccinated person kill a triple vaccinated person?

And we know that being vaccinated doesn't stop transmission OR catching it.

People are absolutely bonkers

pointythings · 10/11/2021 20:36

@MauraandLaura

What I dont get is if people are triple vaccinated why do they care if other people are not.

How can an unvaccinated person kill a triple vaccinated person?

And we know that being vaccinated doesn't stop transmission OR catching it.

People are absolutely bonkers

Stop spreading misinformation.

The vaccine reduces transmission by up to 60%. That's significant. The only context where it has been proved not to have a significant effect on spread is within households, where people are in close proximity all the time. The vaccine reduces your risk of catching COVID substantially.

Most of all, it is now the unvaccinated who are the vast majority of those in ICU with COVID. Many of those patients could have chosen to be vaccinated and the majority would have avoided landing in ICU. Those ICU beds could then have been used by others.

Unvaccinated people are the ones overloading the NHS. That's why everyone who does not have a medical reason for not vaccinating should get the jab. It's about being a responsible member of society - and yes, also about protecting yourself.

Mythroatisstillsore · 10/11/2021 20:47

MauraandLaura

Bonkers is that don't seem to get that it's unvaccinated people now taking up precious hospital beds, that affects EVERYONE

Userrr · 10/11/2021 22:26

@Daggers78

"A tale of two nurses:

Julie is unvaxxed and feels too ill to go in to work because she has covid symptoms, so she's sitting at home

Mary is vaxxed, has caught covid but has no symptoms thanks to the vax, so she's sitting with all her patients"

Read this earlier. Makes a good point I think

Some of the people on the covid threads have been quite ill with Covid even though they had their vaccinations

Daggers78 · 10/11/2021 23:19

Userrr

Daggers78

"A tale of two nurses:

Julie is unvaxxed and feels too ill to go in to work because she has covid symptoms, so she's sitting at home

Mary is vaxxed, has caught covid but has no symptoms thanks to the vax, so she's sitting with all her patients"

Read this earlier. Makes a good point I think

Some of the people on the covid threads have been quite ill with Covid even though they had their vaccinations

So the vaccine is clearly no good whatsoever then

Emmelina · 10/11/2021 23:47

“Mary” should be doing LFTs at least twice weekly.

Fordian · 12/11/2021 19:45

[quote HotPeppasauce2]@Fordian I've worked for an NHS Trust too since 2012 and occupational health definitely check what vaccines you have had. Evidence has to be provided.[/quote]
But they absolutely didn't. I would have had no way on God's Sweet Earth of providing that information (done in an ad hoc, hodge-podge way over may years in countries that wouldn't have dreamt of providing any form of certification- like my flu jab, done alongside my Covid jab- didn't).

Just because that's what happened to you, doesn't mean I'm wrong when I say 'That's not my experience'.

Where are your critical thinking skills?

Fordian · 12/11/2021 19:49

@Namechanger0800

I strongly believe that this isn't an Individual choice as it's a public health issue. Educate yourself and get vaccinated

"I strongly believe that this isn't an Individual choice as it's a public health issue. Educate yourself and get vaccinated"

No, you mean 'Agree with me or fuck off', don't you?

Brenttent · 13/11/2021 08:12

@fordian no idea why you have just jumped to crital skills?

So because it was simply stated and others agreed that occupational health absolutely do check what vaccines you have had you have come to that conclusion...OK.

ALL YOUR MEDICAL history is on system. So if you had an injection it will be on your record. You don't need to provide anything as such occupational health can see.. just like your GP

It's a standard NHS protocol. It's not optional It's absolutely compulsory.

Sparkletastic · 13/11/2021 08:21

Does your job role count as a CQC registered activity OP? If not then vaccination will not be mandatory for your role.

MariaAngustias · 17/11/2021 14:59

I worked for the NHS for 35 years and part of our contract of employment was that we had up to date vaccinations for hepatitis A and B, MMR, tetanus, whooping cough and probably others I have forgotten. This was to protect vulnerable patients many of whom are immunosuppressed. If you don't want to protect patients get another job.

newusername2009 · 17/11/2021 20:42

Not sure if I know how to reply to a post directly but it’s not actually unvaccinated taking up beds, not even covid patients. Beds taken by covid are actually a very low percentage currently. Check the data provided on bbc website last night - it is mostly due to patients with delayed treatment and issues due to mental health etc

Nanny0gg · 17/11/2021 21:44

I am so glad that when the polio/TB/Diphtheria vaccines were introduced there wasn't all this 'Shall I, shan't I?' 'You can't make me' attitude.

People were desperate to stop those diseases in their tracks so they queued up to have them

Wonder why we've changed?

Emmelina · 17/11/2021 21:53

@Nanny0gg

I am so glad that when the polio/TB/Diphtheria vaccines were introduced there wasn't all this 'Shall I, shan't I?' 'You can't make me' attitude.

People were desperate to stop those diseases in their tracks so they queued up to have them

Wonder why we've changed?

Because the internet gives conspiracy theorists a platform.

InexperiencedDogOwner · 21/11/2021 23:45

@Nanny0gg

I am so glad that when the polio/TB/Diphtheria vaccines were introduced there wasn't all this 'Shall I, shan't I?' 'You can't make me' attitude.

People were desperate to stop those diseases in their tracks so they queued up to have them

Wonder why we've changed?

Probably because they actually worked for a start. Try looking at Gibraltar - 100% vaccinated and cases rising so restrictions for Xmas. Give me a vaccine that actually works and they take liability for and I might consider it

orangeautumnleaves · 22/11/2021 15:58

@InexperiencedDogOwner I do not understand all of this talk about the vaccines not working, they are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. Yes you can still contract Covid but a lot less likely to, but become critically ill or die after a full set of vaccines, very very low chance of that. I'll take my 87 year old mum having a mild dose of Covid after been fully vaccinated over it killing her thank you very much!

Also on a side note, case numbers are consistently high, in whom the majority are NOT vaccinated as there are too many people in this country who are thinking exactly like you 🙄

pumpkinpal · 23/11/2021 13:33

@Nanny0gg

I am so glad that when the polio/TB/Diphtheria vaccines were introduced there wasn't all this 'Shall I, shan't I?' 'You can't make me' attitude.

People were desperate to stop those diseases in their tracks so they queued up to have them

Wonder why we've changed?

Cause we've got so many cretins with a voice via social media now? Thankfully we're getting wiser that only the moronic use them for conspiracy theories. Tune them out.

I would NEVER take an anti vaxxer's advice on general day to day stuff as they tend to be moon howlers anyway, let alone something like the effectiveness of a vaccine

Fordian · 23/11/2021 20:55

[quote Brenttent]@fordian no idea why you have just jumped to crital skills?

So because it was simply stated and others agreed that occupational health absolutely do check what vaccines you have had you have come to that conclusion...OK.

ALL YOUR MEDICAL history is on system. So if you had an injection it will be on your record. You don't need to provide anything as such occupational health can see.. just like your GP

It's a standard NHS protocol. It's not optional It's absolutely compulsory.[/quote]
No, it isn't.

Stop projecting.

Do you think my childhood vaccinations, performed from 1962 onwards, are on any database?

Fordian · 23/11/2021 20:57

And the vaccinations against polio, diphtheria etc a) worked, and b) protected you from those known diseases.

The Covid vax a) doesn't stop you from getting it, and b) for the vast majority of people, Covid will be no more than mild flu.

Different comparison.

pumpkinpal · 24/11/2021 20:45

Get vaccinated

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